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 DOES ANYONE USE THE SHORT CYCLE METHOD TO GROWTH
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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if so does it work well for you ? and how and what gear do you use     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 162 |
yes bro it wroked good for me about 6weeks the shortes about 4 weeks.i use anabol test stuff like that. AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE!!! P.S.GAME OVER!!!! | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 42 |
I used a very short two week cycle: dbol & primo. Wanted to just see the effects juice would have on me. I actually was very happy with the results. Weight went up about ten pounds, and strength was way up too. Kept most of the weight. (i'm a very hard gainer so anything was good...) I figure a couple of those cycles would be beneficial as well as safe. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 254 |
i thought that the purpose of short cycles was not to inhibit the natural test production, now correct me if im wrong but doesnt natural start to shut down at the two week mark | ||
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Guru 
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Olympian-Here's an old post of mine that may be of some help to you.Enjoy...I see a lot of misconceptions of what constitutes a"short cycle"going on lately.I constantly hear so and so talk about"Yeah,I'm planning on doing a short cycle that will consist of four weeks of test".This is missing the whole benificial strategem behind this newer"fad"type of cycling,and I'll explain why that is--2 WEEKS is the maximum one should be"on",for the following reasons:In the first two weeks of high androgen levels,pituitary response to Leutenizing-Hormone-Releasing-Hormone(LHRH)not only does not decrease,it actually IMPROVES(Which basically means your pituitary is sensitized,and therefore leutinizing hormone output is increased,which is obviously quite benificial).BUT-AFTER THE 2 WEEK POINT:The pituitary rapidly becomes unresponsive to L-H-R-H.Thus,both the Hypothalamus(which produces L-H-R-H)and the Pituitary(which produces Leutenizing Hormone)are now in a state of inhibition,and must ride out a longer recovery process.The moral here is,from a SUPPRESSIONAL standpoint--You guys that are stretching your cycles out past the two week point might as well just do the standard 8 week cycles,since full inhibition has already occurred.If kept to 14 days and under,recovery is almost immediate,as only the hypothalamus has to recover,not the pituitary.Here's some helpful hints for staying within the time frame,thus reaping the benifits behind this particular method of cycle:Stick to orals and injectibles with short acting esters.Any of the orals are acceptable as they all have fast clearance times out of the body.Suitable injectibles include:Suspensions(Aqueous,Winstrol)acetates,propionates,and phenylpropionates.Hope this clears up some of the misconceptions and helps any of you fellas thinking about experimenting with this method in the future.---Huck [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited December 17, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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yes, thanks for bringing that up huck.. you guys gotta realize that "short cycles" are supposed to be 2 weeks, no longer. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 254 |
could i use any kind of long acting ester in the very beginning like for day 1 and day 7 | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4831 |
Not if your goal is to avoid inhibition,which I take it,it is... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 254 |
do you go the short cycle route huck | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4831 |
Not yet,but I may very well in the future. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 254 |
hey huck, what do you think of using that winny in my cutting cycle instead, along with an upped dose of the bridging drug eq. look in my post about what to do with all my gear [This message has been edited by Olympian (edited December 17, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 79 |
it seems that a frontload of Enanthate on Day 1 is about the limit as far as long esters are concerned, and switching over to short acting androgens for the remainder... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Here is my short cycle plan..well short in the sense that I won't be using any androgens past week 3 Week 1- Test enth 1500mg,A-bombs 50mg,winny 50mg ed I'll be taking clomid ed and nolva ed while on | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 315 |
Here is an example out Testosterone magazine. WEEKS 1to2 25mgto 50mg of d-bol per day with say perhaps 50mg of Winstrol-V used eod. Note:On the first day, use three times as much as you would of both steriods to get serum cocentrations up quickly. Also throw in 50mg of Clomid every day. WEEKS 3 to 6 The idea hre is that this cycle will minimize any insult to the HPTA and will also minimize side effects. Expect only modest gains from something like this. perhaps 7 to 10 lbs. in lean body mass of which you may keep 5 to 7 of it post cycle. You could stay on this type of thing for a long time, perhaps a year or so, just repeating it nonstop. Another note:It's better to take the D-bol in divided doses (3 times per day) and not after 6pm at night. Same for the Winstrol-v. However, if you want massive gains as soon as possible then this isn't the cycle for you. This not my view, just a post from an article. [This message has been edited by jocko (edited December 17, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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i think a kick ass short cycle would be: of coarse it would massive amounts.. t. prop durabolin drol/or dbol think ill try this after my short 5 month cycle!!!!LOL ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 254 |
i like all of the replies keep it up fellas | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 104 |
Thanks Huck, that's the best explaination of short cycles that I've seen so far. I'm going to give it a try pretty quick here. Three weeks off in between enough?? I was thinking two on, three off, two on three off like that? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 74 |
Maverick had an excellent plan for a short cycle about a month ago using phenylprop. Use the search function to try and locate his post. Good stuff. I also have done 4 short cycles over 2 years which I posted about several months ago. Net gain of 21 pounds, keeping 19 to date. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
Just curious... what do you think would be better for a first cycle. 8 weeks, or 2? I would lean a little more to the 8 weeks, no? | ||
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Guru
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F.D.-Yes,I believe the short cycles are more for experienced users who've done many cycles and are looking for different methods to achieve growth from their normal routines.For a first time user,I would always recommend the traditional 8 weeker.Nothing will ever match your first cycle in terms of growth so take advantage of that process as long as possible,then later on you can switch to the 2 0n,4 off method if interested.... | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 26 |
learnt alot from huck. thanks! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1164 |
Huck is right in everything that he said. One thing he and I disagree on is the use of Enanthate in a short cycle. I am on my second short cycle using all the enanthate on day 1 and doing great I used 1500mg this time so I will see if I crash. ------------------ [This message has been edited by DREXX (edited December 18, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 104 |
I agree Drexx I would think that if you did the Enanthate on day one and then switch to orals only that by the end of two weeks the Enanthate should be pretty much all gone. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 254 |
bump | ||
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Cool Novice
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These are some good articles about 2-on 4-off cycles. I have no experience with them. But I'll never do an eight week cycle again because I don't like shrunken nuts and stretch marks. But hey, that's just me. http://www.anabolic-androgenic-steroids.com/articles/pharmacology/integrated-anabolic-steroid-program.htm http://www.anabolic-androgenic-steroids.com/articles/pharmacology/steroid-case-study-01.htm http://www.anabolic-androgenic-steroids.com/articles/pharmacology/recovery-of-natural-testosterone-production.htm http://www.testosterone.net/html/body_92cycle.html |
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posted December 17, 2000 01:22 PM