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stalker

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posted December 15, 2000 12:42 PM

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Okay guys -- as I sit here drinking a 1,500 weight gainer for lunch, I just finished reading yet another article how they have extended the life span of an animal by 100% by restricting its calorie intake/slowing down its metabolism. I love being big, but damn if I don't feel like I'm killing myself by taking these calories in and then revving up my metabolism when on diets. (The science, in a nutshell, is that as your body processes calories, it is like running a machine. The more you run a machine, the faster it breaks down. In your body, digestion produces free radicals, etc. etc.) How do you guys--especially you older guys that have passed the "I'm 19 and I'm never gonna die so I don't care" stage-- think about stuff like this???


Here is the latest article:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Mutation of a gene whimsically named "I'm not dead yet" can double the life span of fruit flies, a laboratory discovery that researchers said may lead to drugs to help people live longer and, perhaps, even lose weight.

Researchers at the University of Connecticut Health Center have found that the life span of fruit flies was extended from an average of 37 days to 70 days when a gene was modified on a single chromosome. Some flies in the study lived 110 days.

The same long-life gene exists in humans, said Dr. Stephen L. Helfand, senior author of the study, and "offers a target for future drug therapies aimed at extending life." In human terms, a doubled life span would be about 150 years.

Helfand said the gene mutation appears to work by restricting calorie absorption on a cellular level -- in effect, putting the cells on a diet. This raises the possibility, he said, of one day developing a pill that would both extend life and control weight.

"From what we know about this gene, that makes perfect sense," he said. Helfand said a key finding of the study, which was appearing Friday in the journal Science, is that not only did the fruit flies live longer, but they also seemed to maintain a high quality of life.

"It is not an empty or hollow increase in life span. It prolongs active adult life, and I think, delays the onset of aging," he said.
Some life-extension studies showed that animals tended to trade vigor and energy
for a longer life, he said. But the mutant flies "do well throughout their longer life," Helfand said. "By the time that 80 to 90 percent of normal flies are dead, these mutants are still doing just fine."

The long-life gene was named for a comical line -- "I'm not dead yet" -- from a Monty Python movie, Helfand said. The gene's name was suggested by co-author Robert A. Reenan and has been shortened to "Indy."

There have been other studies that found long-life genes in fruit flies and nematodes. There also have been experiments in mice that show calorie restriction -- a severe diet -- can extend life by up to 50 percent.

But Huber Warner, associate director for research into the biology of aging at the National Institute of Aging, said the Indy gene discovery is more significant because "it may be a different way to get the same effect that caloric restriction achieved in mice and other organisms."

He said it may be possible to develop a drug that inhibits metabolism in the same way as the mutated Indy gene. Such a drug would have to be tested extensively in animals to assure that it is safe, Warner said.

"If you wanted to slow metabolism in people, this research suggests that this could be a way to do it," he said. "It is strictly theoretical right now, but it is a possibility."



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jdismukes

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posted December 15, 2000 01:02 PM

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Man, if you feel that bad you are doing something wrong. OK, the key is knowing how your body works and experimenting with diffrent things. For example if my blood sugar gets too low I feel like shit, so I keep my blood sugar in check, if I do too much test my blood pressure goes up, so I take blood pressure meds. You should feel healthy and good. Bottomline don't copy what the pros do, find what works for you.


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Judge Smales

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posted December 15, 2000 01:04 PM

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Read the same article myself (God I love being in IS. I can read the paper and surf bulitin boards and people think I'm working!)
Actually I think that type of caloric restriction would be worse than eating the way we do. Yeah, people live longer but that is not nessesarily a sign that they are healthier, or happier.


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Frackal

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posted December 15, 2000 01:11 PM

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Would you rather live 60 years skinny or 59 years big?


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stalker

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posted December 15, 2000 01:11 PM

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Guys, I agree with you. I do feel healthy, and I'm probably a lot healthier than the 200mm Americans that eat Krispy Kremes and Coca Cola while watching Oprah. And that's how I've come to some kind of grip with it, Judge -- I guess eating grass and living to be 120 just isn't worth it, if I can live like a king and reach 80 (and look good to boot!)

Frackal -- I'd rather live 80 years big!!!

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Hugh Gellatts

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posted December 15, 2000 02:42 PM

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mmmmmm. Krispy Kremes. Thanks for reminding me to picl up some more.


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Wfabrizio

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posted December 15, 2000 03:13 PM

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All I want to know, is how the hell did this researchers determine that the fly's in this study experienced a higher quality of life? That is freakin hilarious! It's in there, you gotta read it.

What the hell constitutes a high quality of life for a fly?? Excess dog shit? Excess roadkill? Were the fly's able to sustain an erection for a longer period of time??

LOL....that's some funny shit.


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Badkins21

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posted December 15, 2000 03:43 PM

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Wfabrizio, very good point, LMAO!!

And by the way, "I'm 19 and DO CARE, and know I'm going to die, so I take every day and grab it by the balls!

ANYONE could die AT ANYTIME, so make each day count.

It has nothing to do with age, it's all mindset!!!!!

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CLEMDOG

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posted December 15, 2000 03:44 PM

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by decreasing your caloric intake and slowing your metabolism will theoretically allow you to live longer, due to the fact that eating and metabolizing your calories produces free radicals which damage cells. So they mean that free radicals are reduced, as they mean on 'the cellular level', and will cause less damage to cells.

Just take your multis.


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Wfabrizio

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posted December 15, 2000 03:55 PM

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bump.

I still can't get over this "higher quality of life" for the flys.


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8pack

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posted December 15, 2000 03:56 PM

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Maby thats true for fruit flies but people need to eat.

That makes no sense. Starve youself and you'll live longer. I totally disagree by restricting your caloric intake you are also reducing all the nutrients necessary to maintain a healthy body.


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WanTtoBeDeisel

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posted December 15, 2000 04:06 PM

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dude Wfabrizio i was saying the SAME exact thing when i read it the first time, i had to go back and read that part again to make sure it was correct, hahaha if you didnt point that out i would have, yea the fruit flies took longer vacations and invested their money in a wide variety of mutual funds


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stalker

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posted December 15, 2000 04:37 PM

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LOL -- Longer vacations & mutual funds??? That's rich! I never noticed the "quality of life" line before!

Badkins: Amen. More people should have your attitude, regardless of age. Never meant my comment as a slam against the younger bros out there.


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MP5

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posted December 15, 2000 04:57 PM

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Well, I bet all the fat people in this world wished they had higher metabolisms like we do. Who is going to live longer, a muscle bound person with low fat, or a fat person? The human body is THE only machine in the world that works better the harder it is driven.

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meathead011

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posted December 15, 2000 05:34 PM

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im with badkins, carpe diem!

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