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FreakMonster

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posted December 14, 2000 06:31 PM

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I know this has been covered thoroughly in the past but I would like to bring it up again because I have seen it brought up lately several times and I would like everyone's opinion.

One of the most fundamental beliefs among steriod users is that tapering is an absolute necessity when wishing to preserve your newly gained muscle mass. It is rare to find an athlete who does not dedicate at least 3 to 4 weeks to a tapering schedule after a serious cycle. The obvious belief is that the body will notice the lowering androgen level, and compensate by resuming the manufacture of testosterone. Unfortunately you will see this theory is in fact, extremely flawed. This is because in order for the production of testosterone to be fully restored, the body will really need to recognize an androgen deficit, not just a drop in steroid dosage.

Since for example 2 D-bol tablets will provide the equivalent of a days androgen supply to the average male, tapering from 5 to 4 to 3 will accomplish nothing. In the 3 to 4 weeks the athlete will spend doing this, his body is still ready androgen overload, and is not attempting to restore the output of testosterone. This will of course hold true for all anabolic steroids, not just the strong androgens. Anecdotal evidence suggests taht even tapering with mile anabolics such as Primo or Anavar (normally noted as mild in terms of testosterone suppression) is enough to prevent or delay a hormonal rebound.

So if tapering is useless what should the BB do in order to properly discontinue a steroid cycle? Of course the obvious answer is to pay much closer attention to ancillary drug use than tapering. The proper application of testosterone stimulating compounds like HCG, Clomid, Nolvadex and cyclofenil are the most critical, as these can greatly aid in the balanceing of body hormones.

So is going cold turkey the most logical option?


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lawnsaver

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posted December 14, 2000 06:39 PM

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I dont believe in tapering. If you have clomid, which you should not be without, you will have no problem.


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hooch

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posted December 14, 2000 06:43 PM

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When I end my cycle of sust/deca I will be going cold turkey and hitting clomid HARD!!


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Francis Drake

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posted December 14, 2000 06:43 PM

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I'm not the most knowledgable bro on here..but, judging by what you just said, it does sound to me like it would be better to just stop cold turkey and then throw in some mad clomid and HCG. I guess I never realy thought about that...I am interested to see what others will say.


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panerai

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posted December 14, 2000 06:49 PM

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I firmly believe that dbol has to be tapered.Other steroids-not!


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JuanDeLaCruz

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posted December 14, 2000 06:50 PM

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Cold turkey is the way to go. You're right, tapering doesn't make any scientific sense at all. Any amount of anabolic steroid, whether it's one tab of D-bol or twenty is going to register as more than normal. Therefore, your body will not re-start natural test production until all anabolics are ceased and it registers a deficit of test. Bottom line, tapering is nothing but a myth that cuts into your gains!

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lawnsaver

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posted December 14, 2000 06:52 PM

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It is true while on a high androgen cycle, your nat test will shut down. Now it wont "turn" back on while any androgens are in the system. so to avoid the crash clomid will be needed. I know HcG will get you going faster, but without clomid you will still crash after the hcg wears off.


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Mr.Lean

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posted December 14, 2000 06:56 PM

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I think cold turkey presents a problem. After a long cycle, it takes your body a while to resume T production. Removing androgens will leave you with no natural T and no extraneous anabolics either. Clomid helps shorten this wasting period, but it wont eliminate it. I agree that tapering with a volume of steroid sufficient to suppress T is not a good approach. However, low doses of primobolan are a good choice. 400mg of primobolan is not very inhibitory. Oral steroids, such as d-bol, are not very inhibitory if you take them in the morning only. These are two options that let you get some extra androgens into your body while natural T returns. This should help preserve the gains made during a cycle.


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hooch

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posted December 14, 2000 09:49 PM

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Well when I come off my cycle cold turkey and hit the clomid I will definately post some updates..


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Ubermass

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posted December 15, 2000 12:05 AM

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i think tapering is bullcrap 100mg of test a week will shut down your natural production just go cold turkey and take some clomid.


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thesuperstar

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posted December 15, 2000 12:13 AM

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tapering is all in the mind. just eat, train and take clomid.

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Tomo

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posted December 15, 2000 02:41 AM

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i dont taper-- but sometimes i bridge- depends on availability-tomo


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sbaset

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posted December 15, 2000 02:52 AM

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I would also hit the clomid a week after your final injection. How about a little proviron, which is known to have no negative effects on natural testerone production, but still has a mild anabolic effect. Also acts as an estrogen blocker...especially effective during that post cycle period when test levels are low, and estrogen levels are higher. Is this logical?


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Fonz

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posted December 15, 2000 03:38 AM

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What? I thought proviron attached itself to the androgen receptor, therefore blocking both testosterone and estrogen.

godspeed


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Stroyer

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posted December 15, 2000 03:41 AM

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Tapering what is that...oh you guys must mean when you come "off" a cycle...I would not know that since I am almost always on somthing, be it for maintanance, mass, or cutting...hehe : )

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whacker1

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posted December 15, 2000 10:35 PM

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!!!GET A CLUE!!!!

Use a steroid that does *NOT* shut down natural test production, when you taperd. Sheesh.

Primobolan+ Proviron is an *EXCELLENT* way to end a cycle. It will help prevent muscle tissue loss , loss of libido, and gyno, all at once.

Try it.


There. Now you all know better.


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