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randall_flagg

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posted December 14, 2000 01:39 PM

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Ok, most of the profiles on the net say that oxymetholone does readily convert into estrogen and DHT including the anabolicreview.com, which states: "The compound oxymetholone easily converts into estrogen. This causes signs of feminization (e.g. gynocomastia) and the already -mentioned water retention which in turn requires the intake of antiestrogens (e.g. Nolvadex and Proviron) and an increased use of diuretics (e.g. Lasix) before a competition." , but I have also read conflicting reviews where it is stated that only converts into progesterone and not DHT or estrogen. Currently I think that the latter is correct, but I find it disturbing to see so much conflicting info out there. Could anyone give me an absolute answer on this? Also, if it does not convert into DHT, then how can it have any effect on hair loss?


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KODIAK99

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posted December 14, 2000 01:42 PM

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www.anabolicreview.com
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Anadrol 50 is the strongest and, at the same time, also the most effective oral steroid. The compound has an extremely high andro-genic effect which goes hand in hand with an extremely intense anabolic component. For this reason, dramatic gains in strength and muscle mass can be achieved in a very short time. An increase in body weight of 10 - 15 pounds or more in only 14 days is not un-usual. Water retention is considerable, so that the muscle diameter quickly increases and the user gets a massive appearance within record time. Since the muscle cell draws a lot of water, the entire muscle system of most athletes looks smooth, in part even puffy. Anadrol does not cause a qualitative muscle gain but rather a quan-titative one which in the off-season is quite welcome. Anadrol "lu-bricates" the joints since water is stored there as well. On the one hand this is a factor in the enormous increase of strength and, on the other hand, it allows athletes with joint problems a painless workout. Powerlifters in the higher weight classes are sold on Anadrol. A strict diet, together with the simultaneous intake of Nolvadex and Proviron, can significantly reduce water retention so that a distinct increase in the solid muscles is possible. By taking Anadrol the athlete experiences an enormous "pump effect" during the workout in the exercised muscles. The blood volume in the body is significantly elevated causing a higher blood supply to the muscles during workout. Anadrol increases the number of red blood cells, allowing the muscle to absorb more oxygen. The muscle thus has a higher endurance and performance level. Consequently, the athlete can rely on great power and high strength even after several sets. The highly androgenic effect of Anadrol stimulates the regeneration of the body so that the often-feared "overtraining" is unlikely. Although Anadrol is not a steroid used in preparation for a compe-tition, it does help more than any other steroid during dieting to maintain the muscle mass and to allow an intense workout. Many bodybuilders therefore use it up to about one week before a compe-tition, solving the problem of water retention by taking antiestrogens and diuretics so that they will appear bulky and hard when in the limelight.
As for the dosage, opinions differ. A dosage sufficient for any athlete would be 0,5 - 0,8 mg per pound of body weight/day. This corresponds to 1-4 tablets; i.e. 50-200 mg/day. Under no circumstances should an athlete take more than four tablets in any given day. We are of the opinion that a daily intake of three tablets should not be exceeded. Those of you who would like to try Anadrol 50 for the first time should begin with an intake of only one 50 mg tablet. After a few days or even better, after one week, the daily dosage can be increased to two tab-lets, one tablet each in the morning and evening, taken with meals. Athletes who are more advanced or weigh more than 220 pounds can increase the dosage to 150 mg/day in the third week. This dos-age, however, should not be taken for periods longer than two to three weeks. Anadrol 50 should not exceed six weeks. After discontinuing Anadrol, it is important to continue ste-roid treatment with another compound since, otherwise, a drastic reduction takes place and the user, as is often observed, within a short period looks the same as before the treatment. No other ana-bolic/androgenic steroid causes such a fast and drastic loss in strength and mass as does Anadrol 50. Athletes continue their treatment with injectable testosterone such as Sustanon 250 or Testosterone enanthate for several weeks. Body-builders often combine Anadrol with Deca-Durabolin or Testoster-one to build up strength and mass. A very effective stack which is also favored by professionals consists of Anadrol 100 mg +/day, Parabolan 228 mg +/week, and 5ustanon 500 mg +/week. This stack quickly improves strength and mass but it is not suitable for and steroid novices. Anadrol 50 is to be taken seriously and the prevailing bodybuilder mentality "more is bet-ter" is out of place.

Anadrol 50 is unfortunately also the most harmful oral steroid. Its intake can cause many considerable side effects. Since it is I 7-alpha alkylated it is very liver-toxic. Most users can expect certain patho-logical changes in their liver values after approximately one week. An increase in liver values of both the enzymes GOT and GPT also called transaminases, often cannot be avoided. Elevated GOT and GPT values are indications of hepatitis, i.e. a liver infection. Those who discontinue oxymetholone will usually show normal values within two months. Longer intake and/or higher doses can cause a yellow discoloration of fingernails, eyes, or skin 0aundice). This is because oxymetholone induces an increase of biliburin in the liver, producing a bile pigment which causes the yellow discoloring of the skin. The liver enzyme gamma-GT also reacts sensitively to the oxymetholone, causing it to elevate. If high dosages of Anadrol 50 are taken over a long period, there is an increased risk that the de-scribed liver changes could end up damaging the liver. During the intake of Anadrol 50, the liver values, GOT, GPT, bilirubin, gamma--GT and alkaline phosphatase (AP), as well as the LDH/HBDH quo-tient, should always be checked by a competent physician. Anadrol 50 (representing all oxymetholone-containing steroid products) is the only anabolic/androgenic steroid which was linked with liver cancer.

The compound oxymetholone easily converts into estrogen. This causes signs of feminization (e.g. gynecomastia) and the already -mentioned water retention which in turn requires the intake of antiestrogens (e.g. Nolvadex and Proviron) and an increased use of diuretics (e.g. Lasix) before a competition. The increased water re-tention, in addition to the aesthetical problems, can be further detri-mental since it may cause high blood pressure. In extreme cases the intake of an anti-hypertensive drug, e.g. Catapresan, may be neces-sary. Since a substantial amount of the compound converts into dihydrotestosterone (DHT) in the body, it is possible that, with a given disposition, severe acne and an increased hair loss can occur. Bodybuilders who experience severe steroid acne caused by Anadrol can get this problem under control by using the prescription drug Accutane.

Other possible side effects may include headaches, nausea, vomit-ing, stomach aches, lack of appetite, insomnia, and diarrhea. The athlete can expect a feeling of "general indisposition" with the in-take of Anadrol which is completely in contrast to Dianabol which conveys a "sense of well-being". The increased aggres-siveness is caused by the resulting high level of androgen and occurs mostly when large quantities of testosterone are "shot" simulta-neously with the Anadrol. The body's own production of testoster-one is considerably reduced since Anadrol has an inhibiting effect on the hypothalamus, which in turn completely reduces or stops the release of GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone). For this reason the intake of testosterone-stimulating compounds such as HCG and Clomid is absolutely necessary to main-tain the hormone production in the testes.

Anadrol 50 is not recommended for women since it causes many and, in part, irreversible virilizing symptoms such as acne, clitorial hypertrophy, deep voice, increased hair growth on the legs, beard growth, missed periods, increased libido, and hair loss. Anadrol is simply too strong for the female organism and accordingly, it is poorly tolerated.

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randall_flagg

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posted December 14, 2000 01:46 PM

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Yeah, I know. I just read that in your other post, I just quoted that above in my question. Could you at least give me a "yes, it does" or "no, it does not"?

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randall_flagg

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posted December 14, 2000 03:03 PM

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Come-on! Somebody here has to know for sure! Don't be newbie-haters.


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randall_flagg

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posted December 14, 2000 04:31 PM

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Please.


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Hugh Gellatts

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posted December 14, 2000 04:43 PM

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I'm on 50mg day Anadrol now. At first I had slightly itchy nips, but I recently brought up my winny dose to 60-70mg a day. Now no itchy nips, and I look a bit harder. Taking that much 17aa doesn't sit well with me though (downing Liv-52 and evening primrose like crazy), so its gonna be test based cycles from now on

if you are concerned with hairloss, just take test with propecia. propecia won't help with anadrol caused baldness (i'm using nizoral).


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cockdezl

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posted December 14, 2000 04:48 PM

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NO oxymetholone does not aromatize. Pat Arnold and Bill Roberts both stated that there is no evidence and they could find no mechanism by which oxy could aromatize. Also, there is no conversion into progesterone, since no androgen converts into progesterone. Most likely oxymetholone or a metabolite is PROGESTAGENIC, meaning it acts like progesterone. The authors of the article you read are correlating gyno with estrogen, and this is incorrect. Gyno can be caused by many agents, progesterone being one of them. Also, they stated that tamoxifen can counter this...well, there are many who have gyno from oxymetholone even with tamoxifen.

Oxymetholone is DHT-like, so I would imagine hair and prostate problems with its use.


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Mr.Lean

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posted December 14, 2000 07:13 PM

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It doesn't convert to DHT. The only two steroids, which bodybuilders use, that convert to DHT are testosterone and boldenone. Testosterone is the only one that would cause problems because of DHT though.


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Lister of SMEG

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posted December 14, 2000 08:34 PM

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No, it doesn't convert to estrogen, although oviously it still causes Gyno. Whenever I ask the "progesterone/estrogen conversion", I can never get a straight answer myself. It doesn't really matter because it does have the side effects of an estrogen-aromatizing steroid.

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randall_flagg

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posted December 14, 2000 08:44 PM

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Thanks for the replies.
L101, I like the quote. Can't wait for DT5.

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