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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 13, 2000 08:57 PM

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This one has probably been posted before but I just had to, so the difference is

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Spunky

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posted December 13, 2000 09:00 PM

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1,000mg - 500mg = 500mg

Therefore the difference between 500mg and 1000mg of test would be 500mg of test.


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Green

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posted December 13, 2000 09:03 PM

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Twice the cost and a bit more gains.


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posted December 13, 2000 09:05 PM

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Some more sides and risks!

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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 13, 2000 09:10 PM

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lol @ Spunky.

Mass monster, personally I dont believe by using twice the amount of test (500 compared to 1000 mgs) will have the same proportion of sides, I dont think by using 1 gram you will get far more sides than by using 500mgs. And yes there is the issue of the cost but test in England is cheap as hell.

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E2

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posted December 13, 2000 09:11 PM

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There isn't much of a diff in sides until you pass about 2000mg, the only difference is in gains.

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VEINS

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posted December 13, 2000 09:47 PM

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Like it.Just about to inject 500mgs sust before hitting dreamland.Third week,starting to kick in.Beautiful.


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posted December 13, 2000 10:16 PM

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I don't think there is much of a difference in sides between 500 and 1000. The gains are pronounced at the higher levels. There is that 'gray' area in most people where gains do not increase in proportion to injections. I for one see little if any gains in anything over 1500 mg/wk. 1000 mg/wk over the years seems to be perfect for me. I wouldn't say that my gains are double in the 500 vrs 1000 range but there is a big difference.

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panerai

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posted December 13, 2000 10:20 PM

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Again,I think it depends from person to person.The friend of mine from injecting 500mg of sust gets such a blood pressure he walks in gym like cooked lobster.I can't possibly imagine him surviving 1gram.


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KODIAK99

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posted December 13, 2000 10:28 PM

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Spunky, very funny.
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It depends obviously on the individual, training and caloric intake. There is also a reasonable saturation point at which you are simply stressing your kidney's and liver because you are not going to process any more test or any other AS for that matter. Sides, will certianly be more pronounced but depending again on the individual. I haven't seen any major difference from 1 gram and 500mgs, in side effects, perhaps more grease on my skin and less sleep, but the overall gains difference for me was quite dramatic, perhaps too much so, I feel I had trouble keeping them at higher AS levels and was more prone to injury due to overtraining.

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panerai

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posted December 14, 2000 12:14 AM

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If anybody interested in Dave Palumbo's opinion on this,please,read:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/exlusive/palumbo/vol01/981215.htm

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gonnabehuge

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posted December 14, 2000 12:52 AM

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personally...I'll probably never do less than a gram again.
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NAC1996

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posted December 14, 2000 01:38 AM

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Hmmmm...I competed and won at a high level using only Zambons and 8 susts total,and at a big contest tapered down to Primo,Zambons,and a low dose of Halo...so I'd have to say bullshit,as my highest dose of test was 500 mg.,and only for 2-3 weeks.

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Painkiller

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posted December 14, 2000 07:23 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by NAC1996:
Hmmmm...I competed and won at a high level using only Zambons and 8 susts total,and at a big contest tapered down to Primo,Zambons,and a low dose of Halo...so I'd have to say bullshit,as my highest dose of test was 500 mg.,and only for 2-3 weeks.


In wich weight class -100Ib???

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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 14, 2000 07:26 AM

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You are claiming you got great results of test at 500mgs/wk for 2-3 wks? Maybe it wasnt test but parabolan instead.

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VEINS

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posted December 14, 2000 07:47 AM

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Answer-About ten quid bro LOL!!!


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Bignick12345

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posted December 14, 2000 09:12 AM

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E2 whats the most test per week youve ever used in a cycle?

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The Shadow

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posted December 14, 2000 10:03 AM

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More gains, with the sides being about equal.


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RoNiN

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posted December 14, 2000 12:40 PM

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It would be better to stack 500mgs with
deca or eq rather then twice the does.


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The Shadow

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posted December 14, 2000 01:31 PM

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Ronin - I agree with you, but that isn't the point of this thread.


BTW - front loaded a short cycle with 1000mg of Enanthate on day 1 and 2.


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NAC1996

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posted December 15, 2000 02:07 AM

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Painkiller...light-Heavy Weight is your answer,don't blame me for your shitty genetics. ....Iron_Game,what I meant was 500 mg. for 2-3 weeks and then taper down to 375,250 etc.over 8 weeks.I found that tapering from high to low was best.I never had ANY effects going off at all..didn't neeed to take clomid,apl...nothing.

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Tomo

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posted December 15, 2000 02:25 AM

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i never do more than 600 mgs of test - creative stacking and pay attention to other parts of program- my friends that do much more are not much bigger- and the risk of sides goes up-tomo


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skin88

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I did not feel shit from 500mg sustanon, maybe got 10 pounds (2-3 muscle) and 10 pounds on the bench at max. This time I will be doing a gram of cyp for almost 6 weeks (stacked with other shit of course) (changed up my cycles a little) so this time I better gain MUCH more. Some people say 1 gram of sust can be equal to about 400-500mg cyp, if this is true, i'm heading in for a monster cycle! I will post my results though, as I'm pretty much excited about all this.


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NAC1996

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posted December 15, 2000 02:55 AM

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Skin88 your gear must have been garbage then.I got more results than that while dieting,and just using Zambons.Not being a prick,that is just sad results.peace

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Fukkenshredded

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posted December 15, 2000 03:03 AM

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Zambons are the king. I reserve comment on test...I'm not a big guy. But I sure wish I had some of those Zambons....damn....


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skin88

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posted December 15, 2000 03:04 AM

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no shit, i told my source, he didn't get it. All his customers were getting great gains off of it. Everyone's different. I'm just posting what I feel about 500mg test. Go figure.


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M1KAI

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posted December 15, 2000 03:10 AM

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Hmmm,
The difference is wimps do 500mg and men do 1000+

And as an off subject naposim is the fucking shit i love it i.

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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 15, 2000 04:41 AM

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Lol @ Mikai, personally I am never going to do less than 1000mgs again. I am currently on week 3 and results are amazing. Cant wait to finish and take photos.

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skin88

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posted December 15, 2000 05:42 AM

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Iron Game, what test are you on and are stacking? How far up are you on strength/size?


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The_Iron_Game

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Hey Skin, I am on 1 gram of testoviron depot for 9 wks, first wk was with anadrol, 2nd, 3rd and 4th wk with dbol, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th 9th wk with winny (50mgs/day) and going to add fina in there at 300mgs/wk alongside the test and winny.

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posted December 15, 2000 05:55 AM

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The sides are the same? I would think that with 1000mg opposed to 500mg,there would be more test to aromatize...


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skin88

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posted December 15, 2000 06:02 AM

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iron, are you taking arimidex with it?
i'm kinda lost on this issue of arimidex man.
If i am taking a gram of cyp with dbols and other shit i would need either 60mg nolva or 1/2 tab ED of arimi but it will kill water retention, don't i need that for strength? and how doesn't it cut into gains if nolvadex does? kinda weird, if this doesn't get answered though, i'll post it on a new topic. thanks.


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The_Iron_Game

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Hey recoome,

I am sure 1 gram does armoatize more than 500mgs. However by using proviron you can prevent the armotization ad by using nolva you can prevent the effects of when it does armatize. Skin, I dont know too much about Armidex, I have never used it because #1 it is so god damn expensive and # 2 dont know anyone who sells it in the UK. I am currently using Proviron and my strength is going through the roof. I am not quite sure the exact chemical structure it uses it order to prevent the aromatization so I cant say how much strength gains are effected by using it. It is beneficial in my opinion to have some water for my joints and so on, but as for your question I cannot answer it, bump for the vets and gurus.

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M1KAI

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Iron one i think i know how you are feeling rightr now check this cycle out its what im doing right now


==========D'bol===Ganabol====Cyp=====Test Depot===Deca=====Primo====Clomid
Week1-----7 day----300mg----250mg-----750mg------300mg-----000mg----50mg EOD
Week2-----6 day----300mg----250mg-----750mg------300mg-----000mg----50mg EOD
Week3-----5 day----300mg----250mg-----750mg------300mg-----300mg----50mg EOD
Week4-----5 day----200mg----250mg-----750mg------000mg-----300mg----50mg EOD
Week5-----0 day----000mg----000mg-----000mg------000mg-----400mg----100mg EOD+HCG
Week6-----0 day----000mg----000mg-----000mg------000mg-----300mg----100mg EOD+HCG
Week7-----0 day----000mg----000mg-----000mg------000mg-----300mg----50mg EOD

I can see size gains already just 2 weeks in i love it...!

Did i tell you that i think naposim is great..!

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NAC1996

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Skin88,if you've used shit before,and know what to expect from it,then I'd say there's cause for concern.I doubt these other guys were just using one thing.I could be mistaken though.I knew this guy who was 6'2",and could NEVER get above 212-215,no matter how much sh_it he did.It got to the point that he couldn't crank anymore because he just got sick.He started out at 135 lbs. though.I guarantee that 1 gram works much better than 500 mg.,but I quit competing for the exact reason that I didn't want to keep up with the Joneses.

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This is going on 2 far

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The_Iron_Game

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Seems like a great cycle M1Kai, just wondering if you have done cycles that length before and if you have ever done longer ones?

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