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swol

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posted December 12, 2000 01:40 PM

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ok half the mods are saying to take clomid and nolva eod for the whole cycle.
and others say only towards the end.

which should i do and more importantly WHY?
any advise is welcome.
thanks
swol


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madbomber31

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posted December 12, 2000 01:44 PM

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should? thats an answer you need to figure out for yourself... some people think if you use clomid through the cycle then your body wont cease production at all. some think its ok to use clomid at the end to kick your body back into production. as for the nolvadex i doubt anyone here will say to use it unless you need it.

my thoughts are as follows... you seem new to the game, so i dont think your body will shut down its own production too much if at all. it doesnt know how to do this yet. i would use clomid at the end to kick it back up a little...

but again, what we say here is not what you "should" or "shouldnt" do, just suggestions.


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Rugby

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posted December 12, 2000 01:51 PM

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well no one can answer that until you post your cycle


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KINGKONG69

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posted December 12, 2000 02:05 PM

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ME PERSONALY, I THINK ITS A WASTE TO TAKE IT THROUGH OUT A CYCLE. I JUST TAKE IT AT THE END.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted December 12, 2000 02:07 PM

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Swol-My take on clomid is to wait towards the end.The reason?Clomid exhibits it's effectiveness on test restoration by binding to ESTROGEN receptors on the hypothalamus and pituitary.Unfortunately,it does not bind to ANDROGEN receptors on these glands.Therefore,if you're running heavy dosages of androgens during your cycle,you will not only be suffering from estrogenic inhibition,but ANDROGENIC inhibition as well,which clomid will NOT combat.So it's best to wait for post cycle,when exogenous androgen levels return to an acceptable range,and the normal estrogen rebound occurs,to begin test restoration therapy with clomid.Clomid is,however,helpful during the cycle to fight bloat,although nolvadex appears to be slightly more effective in this regard.Based on this,my advice is to use nolvadex during the cycle for gyno/water-retention management,and clomid post-cycle for recovery of hormonal production.


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swol

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posted December 12, 2000 02:22 PM

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wow huck, thats what i was looking for. reasons
thanks again.
and as for my cycle... well i posted it up before but here it is again.

Bulking cycle

Week sus250 deca clomid nolva
1====750===400========1eod
2====750===400========1eod
3====750===400========1eod
4====750===400========1eod
5====750===400========1eod
6====750===400========1eod
7====750===400==1eod===1eod
8====750===400==1ed====1ed
9===============1ed===1ed
10==============1ed===1ed
Supplements: Mulit-Vitamins, Glutamine, Protein, Fiber, Flaxseed Oil, NAC, milk thistle
Off two weeks then�

Cutting cycle
Week=EQ===Winny==ECA==Nolva==DNP
1====400===
2====400===300==
3====400===300==
4====400===300===ED
5====400===300===ED
6====400===300========1eod
7====400===300===ED===1eod
8====400===300========1eod=====300
9===============ED
10============================600

Supplements: Mulit-Vitamin, Anti-Oxidents, Glutamine, Protein, Fiber, NAC
Stats:
AGE 24
HEIGHT 6.2
WEIGHT 225
BODYFAT ABOUT 17%
LIFTING SERIOUS FOR ABOUT 4 YEARS.

[This message has been edited by swol (edited December 12, 2000).]


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