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loomisH

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posted December 12, 2000 01:40 PM

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TAKEN FROM ZULAK'S COLUMN IN JUNE '99 MUSCLEMAG:
"Many bodybuilders feel that Winstrol is a weak androgen, but it is actually quite powerful. Millligram per milligram, it is probably as powerful as d-bol and more powerful than Anadrol 50. Because Winstrol tablets contain only 2 milligrams of stanozolol, and have a very high affinity for the receptor, the recommended dosages are usually quite low -- somewhere between 10 and 20 milligrams a day. Occasionally one might take up to 40 milligrams, especially if the 5 milligram Stromba tabs are available, but do you ever hear about anyone taking 100-400 milligrams of Winstrol tabs a day as you do with Anadrol, or 50-100 milligrams as you do with d-bol? It's interesting to speculate how much growth a bodybuilder would experience if he took 50 milligrams to 100 milligrams of oral winstrol, versus one or two 50 milligram tablets per day of Anadrol? The results would be surprising. Muscle gains and strength could be greater and there may be far less gyno and side effects than from using Anadrol."

This is an interesting thought. I have access to large amounts of winny, and I'm now considering using it in high doses instead of d-bol, to add to my mass building cycle of test and fina. Does anybody have any experience with taking winny at these large doses, and, if so, how were your gains? Did you see the extreme growth that Zulak seems to feel is achieveable with this drug? Will I need to take it orally -- Zulak seems to think it is more effective this way, because as the oral passes through the liver it causes a release of IGF-1 as the steroid is made soluble. What do y'all think?


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KINGKONG69

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posted December 12, 2000 01:51 PM

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ID LIKE TO KNOW THAT ALSO, IM GETTING 5GRAMS OF WINNY POWDER SOON, MY NEXT CYCLE WOULD BE A WINNY/FINA CYCLE. COULD I TAKE 100mg OF WINNY A DAY.


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Slopain

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posted December 12, 2000 01:52 PM

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Does anyone actually take 10-20 mg's per day? I dont think so, the norm is probably 50mg ed or eod. Winny as powerful mg per mg as anadrol?? I think not.

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Slopain

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posted December 12, 2000 01:53 PM

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yes kingkong you can..

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Hacker

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posted December 12, 2000 01:56 PM

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Only read Zulak's crap for entertainment purposes only. 10-20 mg for females maybe. That guy is fucken idiot.


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Tronco

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posted December 12, 2000 01:58 PM

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I remember a post a while back by Fonz in which he described his high dose winnie only cycle. I forget the specifics but I believe he went as high as 100-200mg a day. His results were nice, but not outstanding. Afew pounds of lbm growth and he shedded a bit of fat. Do a search and you should be able to find it.


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Amp

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posted December 12, 2000 02:30 PM

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Yesterday I just started on 100mg winny per day. I turned my 5 grams of winny powder into 100 50mg caps and I take 2 per day. I am also using deca and sust hoping that the high winny doses will help add a few extra pounds of lean mass as well as fight against deca gyno. This will last me the final 6 weeks of my cycle.


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Anabolicum Mister

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posted December 12, 2000 09:14 PM

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It's going to pass through your liver anyway, so I don't give the Oral/IGF-1 thing much creedence.


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JUICESEEKER

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posted December 12, 2000 09:38 PM

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TAKEN FROM THE WORLD ANABOLIC REVIEW.


WINSTROL DEPOT

substance : Stanozolol

" In my poit of view the drug is absolutely useless in every respect. There are no appreciable side effects in conventional doses of winstrol ,but in any dose there are no
appreciable gain in size nor strenght. It is of no more use with woman or men. I don't even think that it's effect as a placebo is effective , a pink aspirin might be a better
choice for a placebo drug . ( The Practical Use of Anabolic Steroids with Atletes by Dr. Robert Kerr .)

" I do not find Winny V injection to be an effective steroid no matter how it is used . ( Underground Steroid Handbook 2 by Daniel
Duchaine. )

" In Germany There are places where this medication is considered as poisonous as rat poison ." ( Anabolic Handbook by Michael
Hagenbrush. )

" Stanozolol is an anabolic steroid which ahs been increasingly used since 1984 in high-performance sports . Up until 1984
Stanozolol was regarded as ineffected by several underground publications " ( Hormonelle Regulation und Psychophysische Belastrung
im Leistunggssport by R. Hacker and H. De Marres. )

These statements are in clear contrast to the well-spread use of winstrol in several sports disciplines . Winstrol is one of the favorites
steroids in general , as confimed by many positive doping cases. Stanozolol for example , was one of the substances that enabled Ben
Johnson to achieve his magic sprints.It also gave this exceptional athlete a distinctly gain in hard and defined quality muscles ,
possibly making quite a few bodybuilders envious. During the first doping - tested professional bodybuilding championships, The Arnold's Classic 1990 , the winner , Shawn
Ray , and the enormously massive Canadian Pro , Nimrod King tested positive on Winstrol ( stanozolol ), ( Flex , July 1990 ) . The Track and Field World Championships
1993 in Stuttgart also brought two positive " stanozolol cases " to light . To make a long story short : Winstrol is a very effective steroid when used correctly . It is important
to distinguish between the two different forms of administration of stanozolol , since the injectable Winstrol Depot is distinctly more effective than the oral Winstrol. Thus it
is preferred by most athletes .

What is special about the injectable Winstrol Depot is that its substance is not - as is common in almost all steroids- dissolved in oil ; it is dissolved in water. Althoug
almost every steroid-experienced bodybuilder knows this difference the pratical aplication of this knowledge rarely occurs: the injection -free intervals of the compound
Winstrol Depot must be distinctly shorter than with the other common steroids. Simplified , this means that Winstrol Depot 50 mg/ml must be injected much more
frequently that the oil dissolved steroids ( e.g. Primobolan , Deca -Durabolin , Sustanon 250 , Parabolan , etc ...) The reason for this is the relative low half-life time of
steroids .Those dissolved in water must be injected at least every second day , and the best results are observed at a daily injection of 50 mg. The substance stanozolol is
a precursor to the dihydrostestosterone and consequently , it prevents Winstrol Depot from aromatizing into estrogens with water retention occuring only rarely . Based on
this characteristics the main aplication of Winstrol Depot is clearly defined in bodybuilding : preparation for a competition.Together with a calorie-reduced diet wich is rich in
protein Winstrol Depot gives the muscles a continously harder appearance. Winstrol Depot is usually not used as the only steroid during dieting since, based on its low
androgenic component it does not reliably protect the athlete from losing muscle tissue. The missing , pronounced , androgenic effect is often balanced by a combined
intake with Parabolan The combination of winstrol depot 50 mg /day and Finaject 30mg/day , until a few years ago was the competition stack Since original Finaject has
been phased out for years Parabolan has taken over its place .

Depending on the athlete's performance level , the atlhete usually takes 50 mg Winstrol Depot every 1-2 day.Altought there is no scientific proof os a special combined
action between Winstrol Depot and Parabolan , based on several practical examples ,a synergetic effect seems likely. Others steroids wich athletes successfully combine
with Winstrol Depot during the preparation for a competition include Masteron , Equipoise , Halotestin , Oxandrolone ,Testosterone Propionate , Primobolan and HGH .

Winstrol Depot , however , is not only used during preparation for a competition but also in a gaining phase . Since it does not cause water retetion , rapid weight gains
with Winstrol Depot are very rare .However, a solid muscle and and overproportionally strong strenght increase occur , usually remaining after use of the compound is
discontinued .Bodybuilders that want to build strenght and mass often combine Winstrol Depot with Anadrol , Dianabol , Deca- Durabolin or testosterone . Older Athletes
and steroid novices can achieve good progress with either Winstrol Depot / Deca -Durabolin or Winstrol Depot / Primobolan Depot . They use quite a harmless stack wich
normally does not lead to noticeable side effects.This leaves steroid novices with enough room for " harder " stuff wich they do not yet need in this phase . Winstrol Depot
is mainly an anabolic steroid with a moderate , androgenic effect wich , however , can specially manifest itself in women dosing 50 mg/ week and in men dosing higher
quantities . Problems in female athletes usually occur when a quantity of 50 mg is injected twice weekly . The effect of Winstrol Depot decreases considerably after a few
days and thus an ijecxtion twice weekly is justified. However, an undesired acumulation of androgens in the female organism can occur, resulting in masculinization
symptoms. Some deep female voices certainly originated with the intake of Winstrol Depot .However, a dose of 50mg Winstrol Depot every second day in ambitious female
athletes is the rule rather that the exception . Other non-androgenic side effects can occur in men as well as in women , manifesting themselfves in headaches , cramps ,
changes in HDL and LDL values , and in rare cases ,in high blood pressure. Possible liver damage can be stimated as very low when Winstrol Depot is injected ; however,
in large doses an elevation in the liver values is possible. Since Winstrol Depot is dissolved in water the injections are usually more uncomfortable or more painful than is
the case with oily solutions.

Althoug there are many fakes of the injectable Winstrol , the original "Winny" as it is lovingly called by it's users , is easily recognized based on it's unusual form of
administration. At a first glance the content of the ampoule is only a milky , white , watery solution wich ,however has distinct characteristics . Original " Winny " is
recognized because the substance separates form the watery injection fluid when the ampoule is not shaken for some time When the ampoule is left flat in its ampoule box
or, for example , stands upright on a table , the substance accumulates as a distinctly visible white layer on the lower side of the glass and can only be mixed with the
watery fluid if shaken several times or rolled forward and backward . An ampoule containing 1 ml os suspension and its 50 mg dissolved stanozolol should normally
separate a white layer in the size of almost a thumbnail. The athlete thus can easily determine wheter his injectable Winstrol is actually stanozolol or is rather underdosed.
Do not buy ampoules or glass vials which contain more than 1 ml of suspension since an original injectable winstrol is only available in one-mililiter glass ampoules .The
original Spanish ampoules by zambon have an unusually large round shape and a brown imprint. In the meantime there are several well - made fakes available. The Italian
ampoules by Zambon can also be easily recognized this is a small push -through ampoule which has a large round shape and comes with a blue imprint . The imprint on
the Italian and Spanish Winnies can be felt well with your fingernail . Faked stanozolol usually comes in commmercial , narrow ampoules.

Since Winthrop Company discontinued the formely well-distributed Strombaject , the international black steroid market carries the Spanish and Italian Winstrol Depot of
Zambon company almost exclusively. The price for a 50 mg Winstrol Depot ampoule lies between $ 10 - 15 on the black market .

When injected daily Winstrol Depot can become a very expensive compound . It also has the disadvantage that , because of the frequent injections, the already
mentioned scar tissue will develop in the gluteal region ( buttocks ) which leads many athletes to inject Winstrol in their shoulders , arms , legs , or even calves .Altough
this was originally intented as an expedient , injecting winstrol depot in certainly muscles has become increasingly popular since atlhetes have noticed that this leads to an
accelerated growth of the affected muscle. In the US injectable stanozolol is only manufactore only for veterinary medicine .It is distributed under the name Winstrol V by
winthrop and Upjohn companies . Unfortunately thaere are several fakes of Winstrol Depot . In the meantime , the chances of finding the Spanish or Italian Winstrol in the
U.S. are quite high.

BIBLIOGRAPHY:
WORLD ANABOLIC REVIEW 1996 ( P. Grunding / M. Bachmann )


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