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 omna or susta, quality and price
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Novice 
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Some say susta is better and omna very cheap. My source has omna for 12 bucks and susta for 10, how is that? Why is susta better?    | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1127 |
Go to the search bro, this has been answered many times. It's just a personal preference. Sust and Omna are the same. ------------------  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 277 |
weird, my source have sust - 12 and omna - 10... omna isn't worse than sust - just cheaper... | ||
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Novice
Posts: 9 |
Hey Vovan tell me you are kidding about the price! Do you know how much a Sustanon from Organon Karachi costs if you buy it there? To bad it does not offer much for turistic hollydays. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 522 |
They used to be 2 different mixtures of test esters. Now from what I have understood and read they are and contain the same. Dont know if this is true or not but more info anyone? ------------------ You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't try | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 277 |
Sure bro, I know the prices. But I suppose you know how much does airbus ticket to the other side of the world costs. lol | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 47 |
$1.50 in Karachi. $3.50 imported in Italy legally (only Pharmaceutical Retailer) $5 to $8 on the plack-market here. Italian Susta is too expencieve, but we still love our country!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 213 |
Bro, they contain more or less the same esters, my personal preference is the sustanon, I alway's think that something that I can get as cheap as omna has got to have been manufactured under slightly less sterile and less strict processing than a expensive european sustanon, I can get sus for �4, and omna for �3. Also, I feel that you hold more excess water on omna than you get with sus, i have read that some guys get worse acne with omna, possibly because of the impurities in it. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1156 |
Rule of thumb, bro's: Legit sust from a sane source is always more expensive. Rule of thumb: Legit Pink Omna is more cost-effective than sust. There is some sust that is very, very good, depending on your personal preference as mentioned earlier. Infar sust (from Organon's Indian subsidiary) and Indian Sustaretard250 is also good and comparitively cheap. About the $1.50 sust! Ha Ha! Those are local prices, pal. Real stuff passes through several hands, typically, and everybody makes his profit. Capitalism, baby. I bought a Gund stuffed animal for my girlfriend's 12th birthday recently. It cost $55 (very, very high quality, by the way). How much do you think it cost to manufacture it? Dexter ------------------ | ||
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Moderator 
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DEX did you say your Girlfriends 12th birthday..hmmm? even if that is a joke damn man isnt that shit illegal there ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 386 |
THe omna is active in the body for slightly less time, but many people say that sust is better in purity. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
Guys, look: Omnadren: 30mg testosterone propionate 60mg testosterone phenylpropionate 60mg testosterone isohexanoate 100mg testosterone hexanoate Sustanon: 30mg testosterone propionate 60mg testosterone phenylpropionate 60mg testosterone isocaproate 100mg testosterone decanoate With that information, if you know anything about estes, you will see the plain truth. O250 will lead to more water retention, gyno, and dosen't stay in the system as long. A drug more than for strength than muscular bodyweight gain. S250 will lead to less water retention, and due to it's longer active time, may be more helpful in the pursuit of high quality muscle mass. Dispelling myths and rumors, one at a time. -MO ------------------ [This message has been edited by MeanOne (edited December 09, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 277 |
Hey MeanOne,  you have found a composition of the old omnadren new ones have SAME esters as sustanon... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1156 |
Ooops! I meant my girlfriend's DAUGHTER's 12th birthday! (Sheesh, I hope there was nothing Fruedian in that...) Anyway, I think it's high time for CoolHandLuke to step in. This whole sust/Omna thing is getting a bit boring -- at least for now. Sust = Omna. Period. Luke, care to comment, pal? Dexter ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4788 |
LOL...Count to ten before you react Luke.... | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
Well thats interesting, prehaps you might in interested in the batch number off the O250 I have. It expires on 02/03 and has the same chemical make-up I listed. Unless someone is trying to sell fake Sustanon (being that O250 is cheaper they could relabel the ampule, or box), I do not see why the, manufacturing company would change the drug combinations. Besides, I beleive it is illegal to modify the chemical composition of a named drug without modifying the trade name of the drug. I will investigate that further. Peace-MO ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1048 |
www.jelfa.com.pl is jelfas website. anyone who thinks omna and sustanon are any different should go there before posting nonsense. omnas are probably cheaper cause people think of the old omnas, which were different, however i'm sure it costs about the same to make omna in poland as it does to make niles in egypt or cyctahoh's in india. i predict that in ten years someone will figure out omnas and sust are the same and you'll be paying the same amount for both. until then, go with the cheaper omnas.... | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
"anyone who thinks omna and sustanon are any different should go there before posting nonsense." I'm sorry, what are you formally educated in? Maybe you should check MY profile. You may have been ON THE BOARD longer, but I'm sure I can garuntee you, son, that I have been in the game MUCH longer. I highly suggest that you sit down and mind your place when even considering flaming me, because not only will I out wit you, but I will disregard anything you say. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 286 |
good info guys thanks for clearin it up ------------------ "Don't Hate the GAME Hate the FAME" -me | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1048 |
meanone- any old omna that is out there is past its expiration date. if you have omna that expires in 2003 then its the same as sust. instead of posting out of date info concerning omnas esters, why don't you go to the website like i said and see for yourself????? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 147 |
Doesn't matter what ester it is,if you know half life,you know how to handl it with most benefit for your grows,it's all matter of timing,and all this talk among you guys is waist of time,and you do it cause at the moment you have nothing better to do,don't you? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 21 |
That website is inconclusive. On the main page they state that the 4th ester is caproate (hexanoate) but on the linked page it lists it as decanoate. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1048 |
If you have a box of omna produced withing the last four or so YEARS it will say test caprinicum as the last ester. Decanoate: Chemical Structure C10H20O2. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 |
Omna is basically the same but cheaper!!!Supposed to be anyway! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
Great webpage Coolhand, as someone else pionted it, it would appear as if the manufacture does not even know what the hell is in the mix. People to stay on the safe side, and being sure to get what it is that you are looking for, just buy Sus. I don't think you could find someone out there that would take a return on a bunch of gear that you thought would be cheap sus. Or you can roll the dice, and try to save a few bucks. -MO ------------------ | ||
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Novice
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Don't forget to factor into the equation all the underdosed counterfiets that are circulating on the market. It is a result of these products that validate the debate of which one and more importantly which sources are better. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
Last thing I checked Mean, you posted you were 20 yrs of age. Is this correct? Just curious. I may of misread that on another board. If so, disregard the following. If you are only 20 yrs of age there really is no need to start up the AS game. You have plenty of nautral test. production within your own body at this time. Sust. gave me about a 9 lbs gain but did improve my density. Omna has given me 22lbs to date(7 wks in) and Ive lowered my bodyfat % from 9 to 7 and I do no dieting or aerobic activities. As for dispelling myths this community can always use a fresh opinion HANDS DOWN. So many of the "Vets" have been on here forever so meeting newer people with your level of enthusiasm is exciting for me. Jelfa changed 2 esters to compete with sust in the medical field, thats what I've read on Organnon's news release from last year. As for fakes, Ive known many many more bros scammed by NILE SUST, than from any other AS out there. Personally, using redijects is one way to protect your investment but it does tend to run in the low $20 per 250mgs(per rediject). Hope to see more of you Meanone. BigC | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1233 |
The Jelfa Omna with the stick on label are EXACTLY the same as Sust 250!!!!! The older silkscreened amps had two different esters that were said to cause increased water retention. With the amount of sust fakes out there why not use Omna??? I have many friend that had sust from different sources that were fake. Everyone is unde the impression that because Omna is cheaper it is of poor quality. That is bullshit. This IS NOT a vet product. It was intended for human use. I am sure they are manufatured to strict government standards. This is not some underground lab, it is a major Pharmacetial(sp?) company. The simple fact is, they are EXACTLY the same!!! I agree with the guy who said in a couple of years when all the idiots find out it is the same, the price will reflect that. In the mean time, stock up and grow! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 134 |
Well i got 30amps of the old omna's right beside me i say whatever you can get your hands on take, there both good!!Just take the shit- eat, sleep, and train right and you will be happy | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
Don't worry I will be around for awhle. Yes, I'm 20...I wasn't aware that knowledge had an age limit however. By the way, in the majority of 16-22 year olds, you are correct, but I had taken the liberty of having 3 independant periods of blood work done, after doing so, I was in the "Low to Normal" range. I didn't feel like waiting for 5-7 years, so I jumped in about 3 years ago, took my state title in wrestling and went to nationals. As far as new and old vets, it seems you only have 20 posts, and me having 18 - I'm not sure either one of us could pass judgement on who's a vet and who's not. In the future, leave my age out of it, I know more about androgenic aids and hormone therapys than most people 2 or 3 times my age. -MO ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 146 |
fuck all wronge with omna | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 203 |
Omna is exactly the same as Sust now and anyone who disagrees is ignorant of the facts. I have only seen the new Omna with the paper label lately. I haven't seen any of the old ones for years. OMNA IS THE SAME EXACT THING AS SUSTENON!!! Any more questions? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
Just one...how long did it take you to think that up? Your post was so profound and highly intelligent, it left me boggled. Explain to me, for I am ignorant to the facts, why would you generalize they are the exact same if there are still old ones being distributed -Oh wise one-. -MeanOne ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
I have a different name on here from when I first joined. So the 2000 or so posts don't matter anyhow, more posts obviously doesn't mean more intelligence. I mostly just read and then email now a days. Its a bit safer on a board like this where sources, pricing, and advertising take a little more time to get deleted. And yes, with age comes experience. And what state did you wrestle in and which school? Ive been coaching highschool for 5 years now and would love to pick your brain a little. Been the head coach the last 2 yrs. and we suck on our riding. Any suggestions? As for leaving your age out, it was information you had posted so I was under the impression it was okay. Consider it done. Most people will have a low-moderate (normal) rage of test. in their body when tested. Especially if under the age of 25. BigC | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Up to take a pee, and, of course check EF (2 gallons of water a day...). I've seen literally hundreds if not thousands of BigC's posts. And I agree: With age comes experience. And if you had seen one pic of his recently (okay, he's a bit on the puffy side, but then again I'm still a bit on the catabolic side), you'd see he's one big mofo. And that comes from experience. Dexter P.S. I wish all these fucking websites out there would update their profiles on the actual Omna/Sust formula. It's high time after 3 years. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
Mr.Dexter, how is Russia this time of year? Thank you for your kind words. Guess Im growing up. Wasn't too long ago I thought I was the hot shot, lol. A few years changes a guy I guess. Would be nice to do well this spring and then hit the USAs. But I know that won't happen for now. And hey, catabolic bro, eat more TUNA mixed with smirnoff.(I know, not rich enough for your taste but that is all we have on this side of the world that I like).
BigC | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 203 |
quote: IT DOES NOT TAKE A GENIOUS TO FIGURE OUT THAT OMNA IS MADE BY ONLY ONE COMPANY. THEREFORE WHEN THEY CHANGED THE FORMULA 3 YEARS AGO, THEY STOPPED PRODUCING THE OLD FORMULA. HENCE YOU ARE INGNORANT OF THE FACT THAT ALL OF THE OLD ONES SHOULD BE CLOSE TO EXPIRING ,IF NOT EXPIRED, BY NOW. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ALL THE SAME AS SUST AND YOU ARE WRONG. P.S. IF YOU HAVE ANY ONES THAT EXPIRE IN 2003 AND THEY LOOK LIKE THE OLD ONES, THEN THEY ARE FAKE. | ||
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Cool Novice
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they are the same now. and stop all this bullshit about well, i got more posts so i know more. if you could line up all the "newbies" and see some of their size and stats i'm sure a few "vets" would be asking them for advice and not talking down like a jackass. I've seen a few "freaks" and "gurus" with more stars under their name than I got for my A+ spelling quizzes in the 4th grade say things like, "is $20 a good price for an amp of Sust?" or "just got some real parabolan in a 10ml vial!" or here's my pic I just turned 14 so don't laugh because i'm a little small." Just because you maxed out on stars doesn't make you Dan Duchaine. Peace and I'm out. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Tomato, don't worry, I'm enjoying this. I like brusing the ego's of late 20's, mid 30's and 40 year olds by not only being able to think in a more complete manner, but the fact that I just plain know more than95% of them. I'm curious, how many "Vet's" of "Old Guys" on the baord get paid to advise people with their cycles, and further more, are striving and earnestly studying to earn a degree in the field which most concerns androgenic usage. If your not, that dosen't make you worthless by any means. They still probably know a ton...but when it comes right down to it, I get my information from case studies, journals, and reference materials while others may basicly repeat what they've been told for years, without a firm grasp on why they were told what they were told. I suggest the finger pionters about my "Iggnorance" (which by the way is laughable), examine themselves to justify thier attitudes of knowing all. I brused the ego's of the "Vet's" on the Ezboards, and it will happen here too, but just like everywhere else, everyone will eventually grow accused to the fact that I have a great amount of information either immediately avalaible to me, or can be uncovered shortly. If someone on the board is bigger than me, do they know more? Maybe, but maybe not. My cycles, being that I am so young, as of yet have been 90% anabolic, with only androgens being Propinate and Dbol...so far. Prehaps those "Big Men" would like to compare a yearly average of bodyfat to lean muscle mass with me. Some girls like "Big Boys," but many more like the Lean, Muscular Guys...and I'm not doing this to try to impress other guys with how bloated I can get, LoL. On the note of the Omna being fake, my supplier sends a photocopy of a lab test with each order for the products contained in it, and yes, the products used in the test are out of the same batch as the product I'm getting it - so once again, basicly laughable. Have a nice day guys - even if you are afriad by the new mans knowledge. -MO ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1048 |
Meanone- what the fuck does that reply have to do with omna or sust? Take that shit to the chat board. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1156 |
"Tomato, don't worry, I'm enjoying this. I like brusing the ego's of late 20's, mid 30's and 40 year olds by not only being able to think in a more complete manner, but the fact that I just plain know more than 95% of them." While I don't think this is a "chat" topic, I think you should retract that statement. It is arrogant (okay, there are several arrogant bro's on this board in my opinion) and mean-spirited. Just go back and check some of the posts of 2Thick, Macro and others: You'll see real reference-oriented debate, and respectful, too. And thought-provoking. Me, I'm 43 years old. And I've learned a hell of a lot from young guys like HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex, guys with serious, serious knowledge. And now I know a lot but would never pretend to be an AS guru. Hehe. Maybe we should visit one of the more technically oriented, engineering boards. I have an advanced degree. Ha Ha! But the conduct would certainly be different. Wanna talk T1/E1, ATM, ISDN, ADSL, alphanumeric paging, GSM, etc? Please. But it will be respectful, and hopefully constructive. And I'll restate: With age comes experience. I'm not at all pretending to be some wise guru, it's just that I've through been a shitload through my life -- and it changes you -- for the better, I believe, as an optimist. I think it's called something like maturity and even wisdom. Oh, I was one little hot and even sometimes arrogant shit when I was 20, that's for sure. But age and life makes you more tolerant, in general, of that I'm sure, and understanding of other peoples' opinions. Newbies, oldies, "domestic" and international sisters and brothers, this board is for a lot of people, each contributing in his or own way -- hopefully respectfully. And BigC, I'm really glad to see you around in your new persona. American Smirnoff is just too expensive here, by the way. Russian "Smirnov," every bit as good if not better, is about 7 times cheaper. So is Stolichnaya...which I prefer and which goes well with tuna. Retabolil and Vovan are fruit-juicers only, by the way. Dexter
[This message has been edited by Dexter (edited December 11, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Dexter (edited December 11, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
With age comes experience. As for me, I have not desire to be 400lbs and 40% lard. Which explains why I stay under 10% year round with an occasional dip to 12% during McDonald season. Love those cajun McChickens. As for upsetting the 20,30,40 somethings I think the only thing to cause anyone to be upset is not the knowledge you claim to have (ie. your original sust/omna post with outdated information which was funny due to you posting your superior knowledge) but the brash way you chose to word your thoughts. I for one, have stated several times, how much more enjoyable it is to discuss significant issues and ideas realting to the endocrine system or chemcial structure of AS as opposed to replying to silly posts like "Where can I find Dbol?" I remeber being 20, and damn was it fun. What level did you wrestle on? D1,D2,D3 Naia? Now for a little about me. BA in exercise science, minor in physiology(only needed 2 additional classes for the minor so I took cardiovascular phys and struggled all the way through it might I add, and then a stupid 4 credit endocrine system which I earned a B-( I know, but I still graduated with honors). I've done NHB for 2 years while at the University of USMC(was o3 for any of you mos nuts out there). Boxed for 6 yrs and have competed locally in powerlifting and bodybuilding. Will compete this spring on a grander scale but Im sure I won't win, but do want to crack the top ten and make the evening show. Umm...lets see, what else, father of 3, all from the same woman(thats an accomplishment, lol, married for 7 yrs) have been coaching the last 6yrs and am 1/3 of the way done with my MS in Biomechanics(if it was all just kines I would be okay, but damn im struggling). Im thinking I will take next quarter off though and I've applied for a GA at one of my state's universities for football. Accomplishments, I have none. Im just alive to tell about it! And as one board member put it, "If you wanna be freaking Jacked then LIFT!" Good words to go by. BigC | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Bros no need to get heated up over this newbie dipshit meanone. He's right we're all wrong about sust and omna. Even the company that makes the shit doesn't know what's in omna. I guess They're just not as knowledgable as meanone. Thank god we have him here to educate us slow folks. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
Some of you might look up to my previous statements. I have not been quarreling over what OMNA is NOW. I simply stated that it might be in error to say it's absolutely the same thing, because there's obviously versions out there, that aren't, still. Maybe in a year they will be gone, but for right now, they still seem to be on the market in SOME areas. My information about the drug comes from the 1998 edition of Medical Economics Company's PDR...so if the mixture was changed 3 years ago, then I'm not sure why the most respected book in the medical field, when it comes to drug descriptions and details, would be incorrect. Last I checked, it was 2000, 1998 was only 2 years ago...
As for the people who don't like me posting this here, if all you have to worry about is where a post is on a message board, I highly suggest you get out more, and find yourselves something to do. There are bigger things in life than some online message board, and if you sit here to learn, that's fine, but you might want to also try...a library. I know, odd sounding, going to a place with a lot of books concerning androgenic aids, and the body's thermodynamics and endocrine system, but it works! As far as age and experience, I have conducted more live human experiments in the past 3 or 4 months than most could in doing it to themselves there entire lives. My clients are always willing to try something new, fresh, and experimental - even if it doesn't work, and not one of them has objected to being my human test lab, even going to have weekly blood work done for me on some of my 17aa steroid tests (involving drugs which basically eliminate the threat to your liver - tested at dosages up to 200mgs a day), and some GH/insulin release testing. So as long as you make the realization that "Experience" is not total time spent doing something, it can also be regulated by how much experimenting or working your doing at one time, then you will understand that I might not be too far back on actual experience with raw data and theories. Dexter and Cracker, I truly, and earnestly respect your posts. You showed a good level of control, and instead of simply "Flaming the 20 year old" you elaborated on some issues. Perhaps your board patrons will learn to do the like in the near future. Dexter, I would never be so arrogant, as to go into your field and try to tell you what the facts are, but if I did, you could imagine how I feel when I get 30 individuals who think they are know alls, because they can spit information out of a book like Anabolics 2000 (in which I might add, has many mistakes, and outdated theories), or just repeat what they've heard with no further explanation of why they say what they say. I pretty much came to the conclusion that I will keep my mouth shut under this post, and silently chuckle to myself when I'm answering the questions of those that flamed me. If you still have some built up anger, or a mental problem which I have seem to agitated, please email it to me, and keep it off the board. Also, in that manner, I won't be defacing you in front of your board buddies. -MO (By the way, yes, wrestled D1, took state title in 97, took 7th overall all for freestyle in the 97 AAU nationals out of a field of nearl 240 competitors in my weight class, and as well, participated in the Greeco tourmanent, taking a much lower 13th out of a field of nearly 315 in my weight class. It was the first, and only tournament I had ever been in where the number of Greco wrestlers outnumbered the freestyle, but it was fun none the less.) ------------------ [This message has been edited by MeanOne (edited December 11, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
As they say, "Tis the season." Now, got any good drills to help me improve the riding time of my kids? (and its all good) BigC | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 27 |
bump | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
Are you talking about cycling time? if so, then exercises which promote the enhancement of the body's ability to convert Lactic Acid into a useable energy source would pay huge dividens to them. If not, what are you talking about, lol? -MO ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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Mean one,you're so impressive.No really,you are...LOL...We're all in awe of your greatness. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
Thanks :-) If you want to start a fight, do it in email, keep the board cleaner than I have in the past. -MO ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1675 |
just go with ethanate..its cheaper...and test is test...dont fall for the market skeem of 4 different esters...what ever you could get use....sos and omna are one in the same...now..before a little different..infact, mix some ethanate with propinate and your set...thats called ara-test | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
No, wrestling wise. We had our first tournament this past wkend and we looked better on our feet, but as for riding time while on top we sucked. We use the jam and leg turk and sprial to farmers or ball and chain. We do other stuff but that is our signature move, lol. We just do shitty staying behind if we don't move on the whistel first. BigC |
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