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DSPO

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posted December 08, 2000 09:05 AM

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I got this from Roid.com. It seems odd to me that they are using so much test to cut body fat. Any thoughts?

DSPO
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Perhaps, the most appropriate title for this program could be the most hardcore fat loss plan instead of the most insane! Because, although it can be perceived as insane is not illogical; it�s only very hardcore.
This 12 week cycle is designed either for the very overweight to lose as much fat as possible or for those people who are large build but only averagely fat (12 - 18%) who would like to lose fat but keep and gain some muscular mass as the same time. the doses is this cycle are settle for someone around 220lb. We assume an intense weight training program
4 times per week.
This cycle will last 12 weeks with 4 different phases:

Phase 1 (3 weeks)

This first phase only changes the diet strategy. Assuming that you are in a weight training program of 4 times per week schedule at least. You need to build up a solid dieting approach basement.

DIET STRATEGY
Calculated for a 220lb. man with a 20% body fat ratio.

-6 meals per day (1 each 3 hours)

-Macronutrient ratio:
� Fats------------------------------------------------30%
� Carbohydrates---------------------------------30%
� Protein--------------------------------------------40%
� Water----------------------------------------------3000ml

-Total calories= Body weight in pounds per 12

220 x 12= 2640 Kcal.

* Fats (30%)= 792 Kcal= 88g
* Carbohydrates (30%)= 792 Kcal= 198g
* Protein (40%)= 1056 Kcal= 264g
* Last meal only fat and protein

Phase 2 (3 weeks)
Keep the same diet strategy of phase 1. Start the following anabolic steroid plan.

-Week # 1
* Sustanon .........1000mg
* Winstrol ......... 300mg
* Deca Durabolin ... 200mg

-Week # 2= Week # 1

-Week # 3= Week # 1 +
* 20 Nolvadex mg x day

Phase 3 (3 weeks)

-Week # 4= Week # 3 +
* ECA Stack....... 3 Times per week
ECA Stack contains:
Caffeine.... 200mg
Effedrine... 20mg
Aspirin .... 300mg

-Week # 5= Week # 3 +
* 400mg DNP x day
* 250mg Orimeten x day

-Week # 6= Week # 3 +
* 250mg Orimeten x day
* 40mcg Clenbuterol 3 times per day


Phase 4 (3 weeks)

= phase 3 + 30-40 m. Aerobical Activities
3/4 times per week

CHECK OUT BILL TIERNEY STATS

* Date: 3-11-2000
* Height: 5'11''
* Weight: 230lb
* Fat Ratio: 21%
* Lean body mass: 181.7lb
* Fat Mass: 48.3lb

* Date: 6-4-2000
* Height: 5'11''
* Weight: 215lb
* Fat Ratio: 4.8%
* Lean body mass: 204.7lb
* Fat Mass: 10.3lb

* Fat Loss: 38lb
* Muscle Mass Gain: 23lb


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FtLauderdale

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posted December 08, 2000 09:28 AM

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Damn. That is a crap load of test for a cutting cycle. Though don't you think this guy is unique in that he bulked that much AND lost that much fat. I'd be curious to know what the brotherhood thinks of this one, but it looks sort of dangerous---I know my bp would probably be through the roof doing that cycle.


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KODIAK99

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posted December 08, 2000 10:43 AM

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I am a doubter, not to say its not possible to have that lean mass gain and lose fat at the same time, but I've only heard it happen on GH.

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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 08, 2000 11:01 AM

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To me it seems pretty evident why they recommend so much test. Remember pros use as much as 3 grams of test. Although test retains water and aromatizes quite heavily at those amounts there arone medicines that can prevent the effects of it (gyno, water retention estrogen causing that gyno and alot of other things). Have you noticed the side effects of 1000mgs of test compared to 1000mgs of dianabol/wk or abombs? Winny as well. Try running 1000mgs of winny/wk and see how well your liver is after 8 wks as well as the cost. They presumably use sust cause it is one of the tests that keep lower water retention.

Imagine how ripped you would get by combining 1gram of test / wk with 350mgs of winny and 300mgs of masteron or 228mgs paraboloan/fina whilst aslo being on a calorie restricted diet and using medicines to keep water off. Remember it doesnt matter how much wtaer you get cause it will go when you stop? This would leave the person even more cut then had originally thought. Trenbolone would be very good due to it being able to work very well on a calorie resticted diet.

People often dont use too much test or total amount of steroids/wk when cutting. Remember you need to hold on to your muscle as well getting rid of fat. Test seems the perfect solution.

Bring the flames on in a professional manner and I will justify with every person that disagrees with this using test theory.

[This message has been edited by The_Iron_Game (edited December 08, 2000).]


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Krusher

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posted December 08, 2000 12:59 PM

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I've read that high test levels with low estrogen levels will aid in fat loss. The subject did surprisingly well in lbm gains..he was probably a novice juicer. Most of us can't gain that much lbmn while dieting
but the fat loss is pretty do-able. Oh yes, I once did a sust/deca/winny cutting stack and it was great.


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ultragainz

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posted December 08, 2000 06:41 PM

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hmmmmmmmmmmmm i posted this already.lol...fuck it but its a crazy cycle.

P.S. GAME OVER!!!


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Kingwinny

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posted December 08, 2000 07:54 PM

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those results are bullshit i want to see a before and after photo

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BATMAN75

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posted December 08, 2000 11:18 PM

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Diet looks good but it seems tuff to shed that amount of fat while taking in all that test. I have heard of sust/winny cyles that you could do this diet on but not get these extreme results. I am actually doing something similar right now. I just started the anabolic diet by Dr. DiPasquale about two weeks ago. My goal is similar to this guy: Loose fat and gain a good amount of muscle. I am stacking GH(3iu's daily),Winny(300mgs wkly)Sust250(500mgs/wkly)& Fina(75mgs/EOD). I also will be taking tricana and cycling clen. I have taken some before shots and will definetly take some after shots. I am on a 16wk program. I will definetly be altering the Fina and Winny around, but the GH and the Sust will be used through the whole cyle. I will stick it out with the anabolic diet for at least 8 weeks and then I'll switch to high protein and moderate carb and low fat. My cardio is done about 4 or 5 times a week for about 40 minutes. So far so good. The diet makes you feel like shit though. Start the fina next week. Can't wait.....!!!

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chillin408

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posted December 08, 2000 11:24 PM

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do u got before and after pics of that guy


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BATMAN75

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posted December 08, 2000 11:26 PM

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that's what I'd like to see.....

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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 09, 2000 06:37 AM

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What cant you people understand? There are no cutting and bulking drugs. It is diet and drugs that increase water retention and those that aromatize very little and hold little or no water thus giving a harder more muscular appearance. Test and all other steroids help increase the bodies anabolic state and protein synthesis thus allowing muscle to be created in a quicker period of time. The main thing in getting cut up is diet. Why dont people see this? All test does is hold water more than others. Stop this water and you will be equally as hard, combine this with the other drugs they are using and you are in for some good results.

Cutting drugs? There is no such thing, it is diet that reduces fat levels. Certain drugs add smaller amount of muscle but less water so it looks like you are cutting up.

Do a bit of research.

The problem is that everyone follows everyone elses views so never try antyhing new. They just go by word of mouth and are often left un-informed.

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DSPO

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posted December 09, 2000 09:21 AM

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Iron Game,
Good response�I understand that there is no cutting gear and that it is your diet that makes the difference of if you cut or grow. There is however some gear that works better when restricting your diet. I was mealy looking for opinions of whether this cycle was solid or if there are better ways to cut and bulk at the same time. I have always been of the opinion that you should bulk then cut up next cycle. If my opinion is wrong and both can be done at once I would welcome cycle and diet suggestions.

Kingwinny, chillin408 and BATMAN75,
I do not have pictures of this guy. I do not know him only read this article on the Internet�Sorry

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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 10, 2000 05:21 AM

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Soon im gonna be posting about this cutting and bulking and the best drugs to use for it.

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