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 first my heart rate!! now my liver!! check this out.. any docs here?
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 465 |
my doc just called me this morning and told me my blood test results. she asked if my heart rate went down, because it was near 150. and yes it went down to 100. BUT she called and told me that the normal results for the liver enzimes were between 5-35. now i seen a post the other day where some guy was freeking over his being alittle over 100. well she told me mine was 341!! what the fuck am i gonna do?? hell i guess i'm just out of the game.     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 433 |
Damn Mike, I can't believe that shit. Is your doc, going to give you that clomid or no? Well, get your body back to normal, and then go from there. Good Luck | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 458 |
Well, did you ask her what that meant? Did she suggest anything for you? It is probably very temporary, so don't freak out too badly. BTW, what are you taking? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 85 |
I don't remember the numbers but my liver emzimes are always high even before I use to juice. Long ago my doctor sent me to see a specilist about it and they did an ultrasound and ran some tests and fianlly said not to worry about it. Said my normal was just higher than the average....... Yeah 300 something sounds bad though?? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 92 |
I've posted on liver function tests before, but I'm more inclined at this point to just say go back to your doctor and be up front with him. In my opinion, your situation is serious enough that you need to get a professional medical opinion. There is no way that anyone on this board can do a thorough examination and diagnosis without seeing you in person and knowing more about your medical history. And your doctor can't do it without your total honesty. If you don't trust your current physician, find another one. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 171 |
don't panic, ur ok.. just lay off orals , 17aa derivatives. shit like that.. if ur sgot count was close to thousand, u would be in trouble.. just ask ur doctor.. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 465 |
i'm on a sust/eq/dbol cycle i just got done with the dbol about 3-4 weeks ago. i also have been taking vicodine every other day ( painkiller ) maybe about 4,000mgs of vicodine EOD for the past 3 years so maybe that has something to do with it, especially taking it with dbol and the others. she knows about the roids, but i havent told her about the painkiller i have been taking. and i believe she is going to prescribe me clomid, she is still checking in with it... anyway, she is going to do blood tests every once a month to see progress... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 213 |
Mike a couple of things- first your not taking 4000 milligrams of hydrocodone(the active ingredient in vicodin) eod the vicodin comes in 5mg 7.5 mg and 10 mg strength. what your are refering to is the acetominophen(tylenol)that is in these tablets in either 250mg 5000mg 600mg or 750mg strength, So your probably taking 4000mg of tylenol- which is toxic to the liver if you combine that amount with oral AS and alcohol use (if you drink) then you and your liver are screwed. are you addicted to vicodin or in severe pain? if so switch to lortab 10mg 500mg you will save your life this way. Its not the vicodin but tylenol in the vicodin thats killing your liver --find out how much hydrocodone is in the pills you are now taking and compare that to the tylenol in those tablets-tomo [This message has been edited by Tomo (edited December 06, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1292 |
Overall health clearly outweighs overall size and strength. Do what you need to, to be healthy and good luck bro. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 126 |
check out the site for liverite, www.liverite.com . They claim that the product helped people with liver disease, and icreased their energy, and it detoxifies the liver. It might not work miracles, but it's worth a try. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 465 |
tomo, they are the 7.5 BUT they say 750mgs each. and thanks for all the replies, i do have a prob with the narc's and i got to do something about it... but i'll take all your advise and do my best. thanks  -MIKE- | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1410 |
and don't drink the Winny ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 1 |
I am a doc, and a bbldr. What specific enzyme was elevated? What were you taking, juice-wise up to this point? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 530 |
Tomo is right on. It's the acetaminophen in the vicodin that's raising your liver enzymes. You have taken vicodin for too long. Combine that with a 17aa and it gets worse. Tell your doc about it. She sounds like she has been helpful so far. In the meantime, get some Milk Thistle. ghans | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 536 |
I read your last post on this. Sorry to hear about the bad news on the liver values. Good to hear your on top of it. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 633 |
The test should be repeated to confirm the levels. Have them checked again in a couple of weeks. Tylenol/Acetomin. is harsh on the liver and the kidneys. Inquire into other painkillers, be careful as addiction is a strong possibility with narcotics. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
In September my liver enzymes went nuts too. My ALT (sgpt) liver enzymes hit 351 (reference range = 0-48) and my AST (sgot) was 95 (reference range = 0-42). I do not drink and never take tylenol or anything. However I was taking 2 ml of ref-B (dianabol) a day with some testo and other junk. Of course I was taking milk thistle twice a day. The doctor I consulted with (who has done numerous cycles himself) told me that it would take several months to come down to normal but I would be okay. I then added two liver detoxifiers : Calcium-D-Glucarate and L-Glutathione. My liver enzymes were normal in about 2-3 weeks. Glucoronidation is one of the main ways that the liver detoxifies itself and Calcium-D-Clucarate is a great product to accomplish this. Getting ones liver enzymes back to normal in 2 weeks is great. Tylenol is very toxic on the liver. It is one of the #1 causes for adult liver failure and the primary reason for children needing liver transplants. When giving liquid tylenol to children many are not aware of this fact : INFANT TYLENOL IS STRONGER THEN CHILDRENS TYLENOL. Alot of people think that since it is for younger infants it is weaker, but it is not - it is stronger. It is made stronger because it is hard to give medicine to a 11 month old child, so they concentrate it so you have to give them less. However people ignorantly give it in the amount given to older children and cause the liver to fail. If you have children be careful. PS - I am enrolled currently for my 3rd year of medicine starting in January. But of course I will never do steroids again. They are illegal. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 465 |
FakingIt, i'll go for it! thanks and thanks all the rest of you! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 213 |
good luck bro-- we're with you-tomo |
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posted December 06, 2000 12:07 PM