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Author | Topic: WHO CAN GIVE ME PROOF THAT DECA CAUSES PROGESTERONE!! | ||
Guru Posts: 3701 |
I HAVE NEVER SEEN PROOF THAT IT CAUSES PROGESTERONE. SCIENTIFIC ONLY. ------------------ Lift | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 960 |
It doesn't cause it, it exhibits cross-reactivity at the receptor level. I believe the 19-nortestosterones are classified as progestins. They are female, not male, hormones. | ||
Guru Posts: 3701 |
SO IT DOESN'T CAUSE IT. | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 17 |
Nandrolone does not cause progesterone, it is a progestagen as well as an androgen. This means it has progestagenic activities in various tissues. Stanozolol also binds to progesterone receptors but it is not an agonist (does not activate them). I will not quote a study since you want scientific proof: "progestagenic activity was detected and measured in T, DHT and three synthetic androgens: nandrolone (19-nortestosterone). 7 alpha-methyl 19-nortestosterone (MENT) and mibolerone (7 alpha, 17 alpha-dimethyl 19-nortestosterone) (DMNT). While progestagenic effects of T and DHT required relatively high concentrations (microM levels), the synthetic androgens stimulated AP activity at nM or pM levels. These effects seem to be mediated by the progesterone receptor (PR), since they are completely abolished by the antiprogestins RU-486, ZK-98299 and ZK-112993, but not by the antiandrogen OHFl" That just said T & DHT are no where near as progestagenic as 19-nortest which is nandrolone. Deca is nandrolone deconate. [This message has been edited by Dr. Juice (edited December 06, 2000).] | ||
Guru Posts: 4755 |
No,rather it "behaves" like it on certain receptors(i.e. breast tissue in certain individuals) | ||
Guru Posts: 3701 |
FIRST OF ALL YOU BETTER STICK AROUND I FOUND A NEW BEST FRIEND. SECOND--THIS IS WHAT I GOT FROM THAT. ITS THEIR BUT IS NOT ACTIVE, IF THIS IS SO WHAT MAKES IT ACTIVE IF EVEN POSSIBLE. IF I AM WROND COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE. I'M STILL LEARNING AND WANT TO KNOW AS MUCH AS I CAN. | ||
Guru Posts: 3701 |
AAHHHH NOW I GET IT IT "MIMICS" PROGESTERONE ITS NOT PRODUCED BY IT BUT PRODUCES THE SAME SIDES AS PROGESTERONE. ONE LAST QUESTION?? IF IT JUST ACTS LIKE IT THEN NOLVADEX WOULD WORK TO CLEAR IT UP? | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1058 |
Are you asking for proof OTHER than scientific?? That's how your question reads. Sorry bro, in this world ther is EITHER proof (in other words scientific) OR anecdote (in other words my friend got itchy nipples while taking Deca). The best comparison I can make is that many steroids are anabolic or androgenic even though they're NOT testosterone. You could technically call some of these roids "testosteronic" just like you can call Deca "progestenic". In other words, in some receptors Deca can act sorta like progesterone even though it's NOT progesterone. | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 17 |
Jay in simple terms nandrolone pops into the progesterone receptors and says hello lets party. Nolvadex is an anti-estrogen, so by itself it will not de-activate the progestagenic activity of nandrolone, since it is unlikely that it binds to the prog receptor. However, the complex interaction between nandrolone and estrogen metabolism in the breast is unknown. Therefore, anti-estrogens may have some effect in reducing feminization symptoms caused by the use of nandrolone or other progestagens. Also, it would be a very wise choice if estrogens or aromatizable substances are also being used. [This message has been edited by Dr. Juice (edited December 06, 2000).] | ||
Guru Posts: 4755 |
No,nolvadex competes for the ESTROGEN receptor,occupies it,and in doing so,de-activates by blocking estrogen from binding to it.Unfortunately this is limited to the estrogen receptor,so nolvadex is inneffective at the progesterone receptor.Winstrol does offer some hope in this area,as well as RU-486. | ||
Guru Posts: 3701 |
Thats just what I was looking for. Dr.Juice please stick around And Huck thanks for your help as well. I understand now and I am on my way. Thanks for passing along the info ------------------ Lift | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 291 |
Winny virtually erased my gyno from deca. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1058 |
First some basic steroid biochemistry: Estrogen upregulates it's own receptor plus the progesterone receptor, while progesterone downregulates both. Nature 254:337-339, 1975.. Next, just a few of the HUNDREDS of research papers showing Nortestosterone and it's derivatives are progestenic: Abstract And why the bros tell you to also take some winny: Abstract Abstract And so on and so forth. I am dumbfounded that any one could doubt Deca's ability to act as a progestenic drug! | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1223 |
I agree it does. . .but does RU-486 block it? ------------------ | ||
Moderator Posts: 5614 |
Thank you very much guys!! [This message has been edited by E2 (edited December 06, 2000).] | ||
Moderator Posts: 4916 |
That didn't prove much. The functions of the human body are very complicated and no final conclusions can be drawn from any research done to this day. Those studies that MS posted were done on female rabbits and other female animals. Finally the dosage used on these animals exceeds 1000mg of Deca per week for 7-10 weeks so you of course adverse sid effects appear when you abuse it.
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