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crash_overrun

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posted December 04, 2000 05:23 AM

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OK, I did a little research and especially
read on this board, that ARIMIDEX can reduce
an existing gyno (not a big gyno, but a small gyno).

How much and for how long should I take
ARIMIDEX to fight my gyno - 1mg (=1 Tab) a
day? If ARIMIDEX will reduce the gyno to a
certain point, will it stay like this after
I stop taking ARIMIDEX?

Thanks for helping me out...


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rainhorn

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posted December 04, 2000 05:46 AM

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arimedex can not reduce existing gyno.
it can help while the gyno is beening devaloped in the cheast and is the best in preventing gyno from ocuring.


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crash_overrun

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posted December 04, 2000 11:12 AM

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anybody else... other statements?


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StoneColdGold

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posted December 04, 2000 11:16 AM

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I'll bump because I'm also interested. I, too, have heard that armidex can reduce small amounts of existing gyno. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has any actual experience with this.

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crash_overrun

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posted December 05, 2000 01:20 PM

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bumperovski... no infos bros?


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lawnsaver

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posted December 05, 2000 01:39 PM

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It can cause a slight reduction in gyno, becuase of the swelling be reduced it cause the breast to reduce in size. Arimidex is only needed eod because of the half life being 50 hrs. Start with 1/4 pill eod and adjust to the results.


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E2

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posted December 05, 2000 03:15 PM

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will not reduce gyno

lawnsaver your completly wrong on arimidex only being needed eod, obviously you've not read any of the prescribing information/medical pamphlets/studies on arimidex.

1mg ed is the OPTIMUM DOSE!

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lawnsaver

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posted December 05, 2000 04:00 PM

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1mg ed will stop over 80% of the estrogen. Do you want that? Is 20% enough to cause gyno? I dont think so. 1/4 pill eod worked wonders for me. And it did reduce some swelling I had in my nips. I know you are well respected here, but dont be so fast to write off a post. I have experience with it and it worked a certain way for me. I wanted some estrogen to be produced to help with gains. As I stated each person needs to play with the dose to find his place with the drug.


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el cubano

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posted December 05, 2000 04:16 PM

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Hey lawnsaver, I hear you, but you have to understand, E2 was only giving his opinion. Remember, there is very little if any research done on these products being used in men for bodybuilding reasons. With that said it is obvious to figure out that you could ask 20 people this question and get 30 different answers!

The prescribed dosage for women with breast cancer is 1 tab every day. You will actually have to experiment on yourself to find out what the optimum dosage is for yourself. Start out taking 1/4 tab eod and if that's not enough gradually increase the dosages!

Final thought...there is a theory that estrogen helps to build muscle, although alot of people believe this, I don't, but hey, I'm usually wrong according to aky.

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gearseeker

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posted December 05, 2000 04:23 PM

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I dont believe estrogen helps with overall growth either. Weather I use anti-estrogens or not, my overall LEAN muscle gain will be about the same. Without them I gain alot more weight but its mostly water that I lose after coming off.

I know nothing is supposed to help gyno after it has developed, but Winstrol did reduce my gyno over three months. I used nolvadex at the same time.

You can also inject Medrol into the lumps. It will reduce the size of the gyno.


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lawnsaver

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posted December 05, 2000 05:00 PM

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I'm right with you El C. It seemed that the post was plain out telling me I was wrong, which its true. At 1/4 pill eod I had a little more strength than with 1/2. I didnt bloat with either dose, but I concluded that with a little more estrogen being produced, i got stronger. At 1/4 pill I still stayed hard without smoothing out.

As I stated above each of us need to find the best dose and the effects can vary with each person.


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E2

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posted December 05, 2000 05:13 PM

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I'm sorry if it seemed like i was jumping down your throat there.

here is an exerpt from an arimidex pamphlet

"Many breast cancers have estrogen receptors and growth of these tumors
can be stimulated by estrogen. In post-menopausal women, the principal
source of circulating estrogen (primarily estradiol) is conversion of
adrenally-generated androstenedione to estrone by aromatase in periph-
eral tissues, such as adipose tissue, with further conversion of estrone
to estradiol. Many breast cancers also contain aromatase; the importance
of tumor-generated estrogens is uncertain.
Treatment of breast cancer has included efforts to decrease estrogen
levels, by ovariectomy premenopausally and by use of anti-estrogens and
progestational agents both pre- and post-menopausally; and these inter-
ventions lead to decreased tumor mass or delayed progression of tumor
growth in some women.
Anastrozole is a potent and selective non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor. It
significantly lowers serum estradiol concentrations and has no detectable
effect on formation of adrenal corticosteriods or aldosterone."

You see arimidex inhibits the 5aromatase enzyme which causes the aromatization of testosterone/androstenedione and other chemicals into estrogens/estrodiols. It does not inhibit your natural production of estrogen from androstenedione/testosterone via genetic controls. Now of course these ratios are different in everyone, but an 80% drop in estrogen levels is by no means a harmfull thing to a man. You're right though the doseage will be slightly different for everyone, persoanlly i like the way 1mg ed works on me. It hardens me up, i've found it easier to drop adipose tissue, i still get a little water retention but no bloating, my contractions are incredible and i feel as though i'm making larger gains then i should be off what i'm taking.

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crash_overrun

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posted December 06, 2000 07:40 AM

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Thanks for your infos... I'll seek my dosage.

One last question - "IF" it will reduce gyno to a certain point (maybe just reducing the swelling) will it stay this way after I quit to take arimidex?


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ITALY

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posted December 06, 2000 07:55 AM

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Hey my dealer lives in Switzerland! Maybe you know him...

1mg Arimidex is to much 1/2 a tablet is more than enough! To reduce the gynos also use ANDROSTANOLONE gel (DHT) over your breasts, you should easily find it under the mane ANDRACTIM.


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crash_overrun

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posted December 06, 2000 08:09 AM

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My "Dealer" is a good friend of mine... he's a doc and I can get everything, at least a prescription :-) !

Does anybody know how ANDROSTANOLONE gel works - as far as i know it's some kind of DHT, but how does it fight gyno?


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crash_overrun

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posted December 06, 2000 12:04 PM

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anybody for ANDROSTANOLONE GEL ??


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