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 Am I stuck w/high doses forever?
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Novice 
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I screwed up. I just finished my second cycle. For my first cycle, I did 500mg/wk of test and 40mg/day of d-bol for 8 wks. Second cycle, 6 months later, was 800mg/wk of test, 500mg/wk of deca for 10 weeks. Obviously, I grew like a weed, but now I've been reading this board, I feel like, oh shit, those doses were way to high for a beginner. I didn't konw about good sources of info and I got cycle advice from some guys at my gym who have been juicing for years and I guess they didn't remember what it was like to be a novice. Am I stuck doing high doses like this forever, or can I just take some time off, let my receptors clear and then do moderate cycle? #$%^@! I'm so pissed at myself...     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1157 |
You are fine. . .depending on you size, weight, age. You can always do a lighter cycle. It is not a matter of just doing more and more to get bigger and bigger. The idea is to utilize that different AS available in the correct cycles to find a synergy between them. You may also wan't to mix up your test a little more in the future. I find something like sus is good 1time a year for me. I then go to cyp, or enath w/out the other esters in sus. Good Luck, and your now fucked. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 207 |
I wouldn't worry about bro. I did the same and it is beneficial to start out with a high dose because you have virgin receptors. Read the articl bye dan duchaine on qfac.com it will clear some things up. His principles are right on, although radical....
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 38 |
You should be fine but if you want to lower the doses on your next cycle I would suggest that you take a little break and give those receptors a rest. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 5 |
thanks guys. That makes me feel a bit better. Big S, how long of a break do you think I need? I was thinking 4-6 weeks off and then a low/moderate cycle of winny, eq and primo for 8 weeks. I figure this way, I won't repress natural test prodution like on the earlier cycles. After that, take 2-3 months off to really clear out the system and then go back to a test cycle. | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 4852 |
You will have to take a 6-month to 1-year break before starting again if you want to go to lower dosages. You are not screwed forever, but now you will really have to concentrate on diet, training and sleep to grow well. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 5 |
2Thick -- do you mean a 6-month to 1-year break from all AS or just test, dbol and deca (since those were the only three I've used)? could I do a cycle of winny, primo and eq in between in small doses, just to maintain some muscle while I cut up? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 493 |
2thick i think thats a little to much, 4 wks is usually sufficient especially if your changing drugs too, so if you went longer than 4 wks great, but not 6 mnths to yr. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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If you want to use lower dosages and make gains (and not just stay anticatabolic) then you will have to wait 1 year, or more. You used 800mg of test and 500mg of Deca for 10 weeks. That is a big cycle for a beginner. If yo want to cut (which is really staying anticatabolic while cutting calories) then you can do it. But if you want to bulk again with lower dosages, you will have to wait. BTW- 4 weeks is not long enough because some gear stays active in your system for 3-4 weeks after your last injection. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 5 |
2Thick - can you explain your reasoning. What is the medical evidence for a year? It is my understanding that just because trace amounts may remain in your blood stream, that doesn't mean they are in suffiiciently high concentration to effect the receptors. In other words, although AS are still in the body 3-4 wks after the final shot, since AS durations are calculated in half-lives, after 3-4 wks (or even 4-8wks), why do you say the concentrations are still high enough to effect the receptors. There is a huge difference between 4-8 wks and 1 yr. If I really have to wait a year, I will, but I'm just trying to understand why the full year wait is necessary. Thanks again to everyone for all of the informative posts. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 4852 |
Okay, one theory states that in reaction to the androgens in your body (like your high dosage cycle), your body makes more androgen recpetors in response. That means that if you had 100 receptors (only used as an example) before the cycle, you now have 150 receptors because your body created more. Therefore you will need more juice to get the same result because you need to saturate more receptors. One year off may give your body time to reduce the number of receptors that it created (because they are not needed anymore). If you wait 4 weeks then you will have to raise the dosage. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 451 |
good example  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 692 |
That is an excelent point and theory put forth by 2thick. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 3508 |
quote: This is pretty interesting. Is this fact or a theory of yours? I cannot explain why having MORE AR's would mean you need more gear. I understand it will take more gear to wet all those puppies up, but using you example if you had 100 AR's and now have 150 AR's its not like a stock-split where the value of each AR decreases to match the total again. If 100 receptors got 'activated' whether there be 100 total or 150 total I don't see what the total has to do with anything, the same number of receptors got hit right? ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 4852 |
Slopain, A theory is not a fact. That is why it is a theory. It is merely conjecture based on empirical evidence. It is one step beyond a hypothesis but far from a fact (or complimentary group of facts). The theory (that I cannot take credit for) merely states that your body will need a certain percentage of receptors to be occupied in order to attain a degree of growth. We will call this growth n. If n= 75% receptor absorption then you would need more juice to get n(or growth) when you have 150 receptors than compared to 100 receptors. Tell me if you need clarification on any points. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 5 |
2thick - thanks for the clarification. Your theory does seem logical, and I have a better understanding of how higher doses might have longer effects even if their concentration in the blood stream is low or nil. However, even accepting the increased receptor theory, I still don't understand the basis of your time estimate. Is there a reason to believe that the receptors will be reduced in 3 months or 6 months as opposed to a year? To pose a counter-argument, isn't it possible that the body is always trying to return to stasis and that if the amount of androgens in the body is no longer extremely high, the body will naturally try to adjust/downgrade the number of receptors. (This too is just a theory. I'm hoping that you or someone else can supply more scientific evidence to sway the debate one way or the other.) Please don't misunderstand me. I really appreciate and respect your advice. I'm just playing devil's advocate to get a better understanding of all of the issues - and obivously I'm biased -- I really hope that I won't have to wait that long. Thanks. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 187 |
a year is to long- this was one ten week cycle- 2-4 months and your fine-tomo | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 130 |
we're forgetting receptor regeneration here, that's the critical point and determines how long you have to wait. Now I have absolutely no idea how long receptors take to regenerate to full capacity, but it seems like this guy did a pretty high cycle for a first timer. That same cycle would not hit a veterans receptors to the same degree that it hit his "virgin" receptors, so I think the time off needed to go back to "square one" would be right around what 2thick suggested. But here's what I'm not clear on, could he bridge this time period with other steroids besides test?, or will he have to completely get off gear to regenerate those receptors? |
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posted December 03, 2000 11:13 PM
