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Moderator 
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I will include a quick not on the socioeconomic status of Mexico. It is considered a developing nation (once referred to as the 3rd world). Its has a very primitive manufacturing industry. It also has limited native technology (unless it being utilized by a foreign company). The government is very aristocratic and nepotistic. The regulatory bureaucracy is highly corrupt. The weak regulations that are in place are hardly ever enforced due to the corruption within the regulatory agencies. This is why I do not use Mexican gear. This is why I do not recommend Mexican gear. If you want to take a chance (no matter how small) of getting an infection from a bunk batch, then be my guest and use it. I have too much respect for my body and I would hope you do too. It is a gamble I am not willing to take.    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 173 |
That's all true, however you could also say the same for many Euro countries. and don't forget Thailand. ------------------  | ||
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Moderator
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All European Union countires have the best quality standards available. Eastern European are even better than Mexico. You cannot compare Europe to Mexico. Thailand is like Mex in many ways. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 812 |
What are your feelings on Eq, since it is strictly a veterinary steroid, mostly coming from "third world" countries to the south? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 196 |
Arm e man, You can't compare Mexico to W. Europe. That is just plain ignorant!!! Don't talk about things you don't know. what you said about thailand is right. [This message has been edited by Spawn (edited December 02, 2000).] | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 4868 |
If I had to choose the "best" EQ, then I would have to go with Ultragan. It is the cleanest of them all. I would rather still use Deca. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 173 |
HE HE HE...I thought that might get ya goin...actually i have been thinking about this as well. But how can one prove that any lab is Sterile ect....it's all a guess.. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 4868 |
In the EU, they have strict regulations that are enforced by an "impersonal bureaucracy". This means that there are no benefits to corruption and only disadvantages if caught. Therefore, being the world's leaders in pharmaceutical production and democracy, the EU have the best gear in the world. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 2974 |
Blah....Blah....Blah...Deca this and Deca that.... Horse shit........ Ranger | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 111 |
2thick your saying you have never took or taken a mexican product? What about sustanon and ultragen, cmon I know you have took some shit from mexico, I mean you may not take it now but why are you tryin to front like you never have or dont. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 173 |
Thousands of "athletes" have used Mexican gear without problems. Just because Euro countrys have more regulations on their industry doesn't make Mexi-gear any less effective.I agree that some Euro-gear is very good but i personally have never had a problem with Mex-gear. that's my take.. good to see you around jon. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 343 |
you are right, but so far i have not had any problems with the Mex gear.....i really don't think that people should be scared to use it | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 513 |
Remember the Tylenol scandal in the early 80's? Everybody was surprised except. We are always at risk. Your probably safer on two grams of Mexican anything then the water and air in alot of places. Not a flame just an opinion. Maybe a wee bit fatalistic.  | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1561 |
While Quality is an issue, you must more clearly define European Gear- does Jelfa of Poland count? Are your comments limited to Westen Europe? There is a considerable amount of gear coming out of Eastern Europe. More important to many are the issues of cost and availability. Mexican gear is more readily available(at least in CA,NM,AZ,etc.) and consistently cheaper because of prevalance of Multi-Dose vials- Buying bulk never seems to hurt.... just a few points for thos who want "gear" but dont have amazing connections or unlimited funds. Peace ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 446 |
i have used nor200, and had great results from it, and i like ultragan. i do have a problem with the t200, which is also brovel(mex) ,myself and a friend both got gear from different sources(t200) and we both got infections from it.that little adventure turned me off to brovel products completely. ------------------ | ||
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Brovel t-50 seems to be the only product where Brovel can produce a consistently good product. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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The risk is the same whether its Mex gear or any other gear. Obviously Id stay away from Brovel, but all the reputable companies are made with quality. This is old school thinking, things aren't the same they were years back where the only quality gear came from europe. 2Thick being from canada probably doesnt have the experience even necessary to make judgment calls on the quality (whether by choice or not).I respect your opinion not to personally use it, but to tell everyone to stay away from it is laughable. Slopain ps deca sucks, gives you gyno, and deca dick j/k | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 117 |
So, if I sent 2thick a bottle of TTOKKYO Deca he wouldn't use it?!?!? LOL | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 100 |
First off, I've been doing "stew" for quite some time, as far back as when my gym used to have the stuff exposed at the counter and sell straight from it. I never once had any negative experiences, product wise -amount wise that's a different story- I though question you 2Thick and your statement �All European Union countries have the Do you remember a certain Italian pharmaceutical company named "Del Santo" located in the Oh! and this is only one of the many. What about Compania Farmaceutica Lanzano? Mind you I'm not trying to start a country pharmaceutical sanitation war with you, I'm [This message has been edited by Saizen (edited December 02, 2000).] | ||
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CN1, I have never used Mexican gear. I will never use Mexican gear. Macro, I was speaking mainly about Western European EU countries. And I find Jelfa to be at par with EU countries. Slopain, I have heard of more infections from Mex products than I deem to be safe. Also, what makes you think I do not have easy access to Mex products. Is it afraid to move the scary Canadian border? BTW- You are angering the Deca Gods!! Winstrol69 No, I would not use it. I would never be hurting for gear that badly. Saizen Southern Italy is notoriously underdeveloped by European standards. Northern Italy is the only region I would consider "developed" in Italy, but I see your point. With this being said, the north has been dragged down by the south and this is why Italy allows for such things (as you have mentioned) to happen. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 84 |
Please be my guest to visit my country so you can see for your self the low quality standards of production, many of the labs are actually working under the ISO2001 production quality standard, I don't say that all them comply, but things are improving for the last 10 years. Peace X | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 629 |
Before anyone goes thinking that quality problems dont happen here to, I used to work for a certain pharmacutical giant(think Viagra) and you wouldn't believe some of the shit I could tell you. I do agree with the whole Brovel thing though, just too many problems for my taste but everything else is good for me. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 32 |
i think if everything was equal than who wouldnt want human euro stuff over mexican vet gear. but for most its a matter of $$$ and availability. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 944 |
2 thick unless you have a killer hook up then you'll pay thru the nose. Me, I have NEVER used a cycle of human gear and I have never had an infection. Honestly I think you are a bit worried. If you are concerned use the Denkall stuff. Question: would you pay $10-$12 per 50mg deca rediject or $65 dollars for 2000mg of Decanandrolen or $39 for the Tornel. I make good money but thats getting out of hand. Personally I think that most of the abcesses seen are from counterfeit knock off products ie Brovel (which I dont use BTW) ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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Using gear is not a game. It involves injecting/ingesting a foreign substance into your body. I will pay what I need to in order to keep myself safe. If I cannot afford human gear, I will not use gear. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 572 |
I don't know, man. In a perfect world, with perfect hookups, plenty of money - no doubt you are right. We would all rather drive a ferrari, too (another example of that third world Italian shit...haha). But sometimes, by necessity, we take what we can get. I've used brovel and tornel when I couldn't find anything else in my backwoods part of the country - I'm up the road from WCP's trailer park. Wasn't my first choice, but better than none at all. I'm still here to tell about it. Good post, however. Even brought out macro. Really good to have you back, your insight was missed, 2thick. [This message has been edited by ironmaster (edited December 03, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 944 |
2thick, I respect your choices but I have never had any problems. I didnt use until I was 25 because the gear in my area was so expensive and hard to get. like $20 for a 200mg deca (if you could find it) and $15-$18 for an amp of testoviron or sustanon. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1400 |
Even if some do not agree with 2Thick, well he is more then right on Italy, especially South Italy. It's like the Dark Ages. I think if you buy something from South Italy, you can as well buy something in Mex. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 313 |
Well, i will be using T-50 tonight for the first time, so i will see how well it works. I myself, have never used any Mexican products, but i have friends who have. I never have heard of a infection from any of the Mex products they have used. Maybe they were lucky, maybe i will be too. But from what somebody said earlier in this post about how T-50 is probably the cleanest of all mex products, i hope you are right. We shall see. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 202 |
The Ultragan is fine, the Brovel products I have used were okay. But I must say I won't be ordering anymore Brovel because of the horror stories I have heard of make me a believer of those stories. Every thing else I have used was fine. EU was fine so I don't wish to ignore there products. | ||
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Moderator
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2Thick i totally respect where you are comming from but the siple fact is that Mex gear is availible and cheap (relatively speaking) Few people have problems with it, so it is not that bad. You make is sound like if anyone uses mex gear they WILL get an infection. I have done A LOT of gear and have never ever had a problem so for me and many other people on this board mex gear is the best bang for the buck ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 191 |
only problem ive had with mexican products is testoprim-d. other than that-its all been good-tomo | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 42 |
2thick, if you do not know shit about the subject, shut up and keep your own opinions for your self. and stop being a cheap ass and buy real pharma products from real pharmacies not vet products. steroids in mexico are so cheap because hand labor and pay are so cheap in mexico, therefore mexico is one of the top sellers for anabolic steroids. samething goes for thailand,russia,korea,cuba,india etc for example USA WOW, 1st world country!! well it is the truth, but paying 1200 dlls for 100 pills of anadrol, wow, that's fucking high, and guess why?? because high pay and a very expensive labor salaries. so their you have it!!!!! ah and many medication sold in mexico come from USA pharma companies, which is cheaper for (usa) them because they save alots of money using mexican workers and less taxes. so once again, shut the fuck upppppppp!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Moderator
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Worldchampion, Thank you for the intelligent reply...lol. I wish I understood the point of your reply, but I guess a lack of formal writing skills has eluded you (along with common sense and self-respect). As for your knowledge of world economics and world systems...you are the one who knows nothing. In fact you are embarrassing yourself with the lack of knowledge you have shown in your less than eloquent response. For your information, there is a difference between knowing about Mex gear and using it, or did that slip your feeble mind? Good luck in life (because from the tone of your response and the thought put behind your reply) you will probably have a very frustrating and fruitless existence. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Another thought-provoking yet respectfully controversial topic coming from 2Thick. There haven't been many lately... There is crap manufactured all over the world. That's just an unfortunate aspect of the AS world which we love. And a lot of it is made for injection into non-humans. And humans use it, mainly I suppose because they can't get ready access to anything higher quality or don't have or want to put out the money to spend on more highly regulated pharmaceuticals. The counterfeit pharmaceutical industry is HUGE. What bothers me more than impure, underdosed, or fake AS are supposedly legitimate drugs, like heart or blood pressure medicine, that are sold to developing nations at cheap prices because people cannot afford anything else. And they contain NO ACTIVE INGREDIENTS! It's a much, much larger market than AS. Glad I've never been in a situation to have to deal with Mexican stuff. Eastern/Western European, even Indian are just fine for me. Good quality control in my opinion, and I don't have to worry about putting vet stuff in my body or getting infected. Makes me feel better. Dexter
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Cool Novice
Posts: 42 |
Sorry about my writing skill, but since I am from france it is kind of hard to learn three different lenguages, but 2thick, tell me something, so then what did you tried to say about mex steroids? are from ths usa? because the way you answered my reply sounded like you were offended by the truth so !!!!! your posting had no topic, sorry!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 820 |
Shut up, World Champ. You know how many Mexican products I have tried, and not got shit from? You obviously don't know your hole from an ass in the ground. | ||
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Moderator
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worldchampion, Je parle francais, donc tu peux ecrire en fracais si vous voulais. Je ne habite pas en Etas-unis. J'ai un question pour toi, si tu viens de France pourquoi tu aime Mex gear? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I think World Champ was saying that mex products are good and cheap (because of the labor) and i kinda agree. Never had problems with the mex stuff (nor 200 and t 200), and i wish it'll stay the same. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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worldchampion, Pourquoi ne r�pondez-vous pas � ma question? | ||
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Moderator
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can someone translate LOL ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 493 |
risk risk risk----to alot of us out there AS are illegal period. you say you wouldnt want to take that risk w/your body, so theres never a risk of getting bunk/dirty--when you buy other brands of gear illegally??? also to some thats all thats available. furthermore some of us like to take a little bit more of a hefty dose rather than what your use to, and that can get quite costly buying the best. if i only took 250mg of test a wk, paying a little more would be nothing. but whats wrong with adding 500mg of t200, to 750mg of nile susto---to get the 1250mg/wk for 8-10 wks that im looking for??? there is some difference w/ the better products, but not worlds apart like some of you try to make it seem. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 184 |
all ive ever used is mex gear and i am totally satisfied | ||
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Moderator
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Oh He'll reply 2Thick.... Ranger | ||
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Moderator
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What makes you so sure, Ranger? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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location and source play alot into this. many americans don't know whats legit outside the US. the mexican are a cheap way to get something they know about. I've taken mexican gear but try to limit it to sus pre loads. won't touch brovel and feel tornell is doing a better job. any gear someone is unfamilar with is a risk so everyone is entitled to there own opinion. on a perfect day to me Aussie is the way to go. any like 2 thick says world champion won't answer cause he don't speak french. au revoir [This message has been edited by flexed1 (edited December 03, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 50 |
2Thick, I'm curious, what kind of cycles do you go through each year, and with what products... | ||
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Moderator
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I strongly believe in a max of 3 cycles per year with low dosages of Sust along with Deca or Primo or Oxandrolone (and d-bol is okay to use sometimes). Usually an anabolic with an androgenic for a synergetic effect. Oxandrolone is an all purpose gear that I like very much. Organon or Jelfa Sus | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 44 |
Some mexican gear is junk. I have used Brovel Norandren 50 and in the beginning I thought it was bad but I am still alive. I am going to say one thing....These products we are buying are tests...They were created in order to change who we are and how we think...When you are doing any testosterone you are taking chances...Sometimes you win sometimes you loose. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 42 |
cppaus dela vitaccpu weenspu lafita dicuskastre enotre palabracpza meyamee eli-posetidezzou katalineeky aukccpulaskcy asi es , todo lo que dije es solamente la verdad. asi que si tratas de probar algo o algun punto de vista acerca de esteroides, entonces tienes que acebtar los puntos de vista de todo en esta pinche pagina, entiendes What exactly are you trying to pull off 2thick? are you making fun of people who wants to make a point or ask an opinion? well if you can not handle it then do not post anything, keep it to your self!!! because I believe people post on this board to talk or ask for a second opinion about a subject or topic!! | ||
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Guru
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If you didnt get any gains off of mexican gear then you got bunk shit period, there is fake gear everywhere and that has nothing to do with this debate of Mexican vs Euro. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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You are upset because you lied about knowing French and being discovered. You have no more integrity because you are known as a liar. El primer lenguaje no existe. Usted no sabe de lo que usted est� hablando. Usted no contest� a mi pregunta. S� que usted es de Texas. Usted no es de Francia. Usted es un mentiroso. Sie k�nnen meinen Esel auf Deutsch k�ssen. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Mira, yo no estoy moleto en ningun aspecto solamente se que tengo derecho a opinar. Asi que no digas pendejadas, yo no estoy molesto simplemente me estoy divirtiendo contigo y tu forma de actuar asi que si quieres platicar o dialogar entonces vamos a discutir nuestras diferencias en persona cara a cara. y porfavor "no mames con popote" cojonudo, al parecer eres una persona de FBI o algun otro centro de intelijencia porque alparecer hablas muchos idiomas asi que ya sabes cuando quieras nos podemos ver cara a cara!!! | ||
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Nevermind what I said. You are entitled to your opinion. As for meeting face to face, I regret that I will never have the pleasure. [This message has been edited by 2Thick (edited December 04, 2000).] | ||
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Novice 
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While you guys fight back and forth... I have never had a problem with any of the stuff in mex. That is the only place I know of where to get it.So untill I find a better place that is easier then I am stuck with what I can get. Not to sound like an ass with this but point me in the direction.. | ||
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Guru
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Alright guys take this to the spanish speaking forum, hard enough reading these boards on ghb without trying to translate. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Cool Novice
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pues que mala onda la verdad que gente de canada son muy lindas personas y tambien e recorrido el mundo probablemente mas que tu, y si yo conosco canada!! la cuidad de winnipeg hermosa gente y bella cuidad !! que mala onda que eres de canada, because canadian people are so educated and nice, and you are nothing but a nobody sorry, but you must be from Quebec or montreal, frech colony nice ,but bad for you!! see you!! CABRON | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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bump. . .if you won't drink the water??????? ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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I am sure Canada welcomes your compliments, but I am not Canadian. I only live here right now. Have a nice life, amigo. | ||
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Cool Novice
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yes, sorry about it guys!!!!!! won't be anymore fighting from me ok!! I just believe mexican, american european gear are all good!! as long you grow and accomplish your goals,it's all good, no misrespect for anybody on this board. we all want the same and trying to achive the same goal why critized a country when we know all the gear that goes to canada and usa come from mexico,yes there are fakes in the black market, one time got winstrol from canada and got a real bad infection on my ass, but later on I found out the product was fake and I did not blame canada for it. It was just a bad choice from black market, those I blamed!! so peace ok | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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I agree with macro on the T50, seems to be the only reliable Brovel product. I don't have any problems with vet gear but I do try to stay away from all the brovel norandrens, nothing but trouble for me... ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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WOW...There sure has been an ABUNDANCE of particularly VIOLENT posts around here lately... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Wooooooo, this shit is funny. I definately agree with 2Thick (being one of his students) But since I cant afford the cycles he recommends, I have to translate them into Vet. The price usually drops to half..Lmao "Where's The Love?" Lmao ------------------ ZEUS....  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 100 |
Yeah, I fully agree with your point 2 thick -and others- calling Italy�s southern territory to be a 3-world country and Italy's demise -economy wise ONLY- Italy unfortunately has not come out as a �whole� as of yet. And honestly I do not see it ever happening, considering that there are extreme political parties who want the full separation and want to keep the industrial capitalism up in the north. � Pretty much like an area we can relate to 2thick; Quebec and it� independence, I�m not Canadian but work there- I can�t recall any of the big names, Organon, Spa, Upjohn, Novelli, Lanzano � Dynabolon and esiclene pharmaceutical company is not coming to mind now, them too- and the list goes on and on with base production sites in the south. The north has always dominated Italy�s capital world and the south got the "left over" of it. When I moved to the US and consequently to Canada I had to and I still am adapting to what I can get. I used to get stuff sent to me from buddies from home �Italy- but it was not worth the hassle of having stuff going through the hands of NY customs. So I found myself entering the realm of Mexican gear. But non the less, I never had any problems with the various brands. It�s a question of preference, availability and $$$ [This message has been edited by Saizen (edited December 04, 2000).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 561 |
bottom line you take a chance of getting bunk shit no matter where you get your shit. out. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 100 |
Although I spewed on and on...I also tend to agree with what GETCUT said. ciao [This message has been edited by Saizen (edited December 04, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 23 |
Fu*K man after reading all this Sh@T I'm getting rid of my Brovel products!!! You Guys Scared the juice right out of me!! Jz | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 50 |
is there any fast acting non mexican tests? like prop? | ||
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Novice
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Il aime le gear Mexique, parce que le "MexGear" est bon march�. Pourquo tu ne comprends pas? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 74 |
Hey Jordaz, I'd be happy to take those Brovel products off of your hands. E-mail me | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 74 |
Hey Jordaz, I'd be happy to take those Brovel products off of your hands. E-mail me | ||
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Novice
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2Thick have you ever visited a lab in mexico? I did and it was clean. Mexico may have poor quality control, but the people who work there do the best job they can because jobs are hard to find. There are more people than there are jobs in mexico, people will not jeopardize the career. All I am trying to say is you need to visit these mexican labs. If you have'nt, then don't assume. Most labs are from the US anyway, so they have to follow strict guidelines. (ex: eli lilly, upjohn) P.S You'll be surprise what the top BB use. All kinds of shit including mexican gear. | ||
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Novice
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One more thing. I agree US products are superior, if you can find it and pay for it. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 109 |
2thick, don't forget that a lot of the companies and manufacturers down in Mexico are American owned. Why? Well, just like you said, it is a developing nation. It's cheaper to own and operate from there. Also, some businesses that are illegal to operate in the US are obviously not illegal in Mexico. Another example of this are the Laser Eye Surgeries. Amercian companies and doctors are and were down there doing that well before it was approved in the US and it was cheaper to operate down there. About the only thing they will not allow are americans to live within so many miles of the US Mexican border on the Mexico side. Thanks for eharing me out, bro. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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lol! all i have to say about this is that vet products are for bovinos, porcinos and the like and human grade gear is for humans. i know that there is no such thing as eq depot- but why would someone use a deca made for animals when you can pay a bit more and get a higher quality human product?!?! |
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posted December 02, 2000 02:48 PM
