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Novice 
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I am going to do Testoviron Depot 500mg for 8 weeks straight. DBol 35mg for 6 weeks straight and Deca 400mg for weeks 1-8 and then down to 200mg for weeks 9 and 10. I am going to take clomid 50mg eod starting 3rd weeks and going 3 weeks post cycle at 100ed 50ed 50eod. Now I want to get a harder look so I was thinking of using Proviron. Could I do 2-3-3-4-5 tabs/day for 5 weeks starting week 9? Is there a better way or time to use it? Also my second question is when to take Clenbuterol post cycle? Should I start it after my last Deca shot, week 10? Thanks     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 392 |
We are talking about the 25 mg tabs of proviron here are we not? You want to take 5 x 25mg tabs of proviron starting from wk 9? Just wondering what your reasoning is behind this? have you used proviron before? Usually 25-50mgs is enough to prevent the formation of estrogen which prevents the formation of water retention and gyno. It will not prevent you from making any of your gains, or lessen the size you gain. Why are you taking from week 9 instead of wk 3 or 4? people do not need to go over 75mgs thats for sure and in most cases 50mgs is plenty. Take 25-50 mgs for 3 wks then take 1-2wks off and start again. After 3 wks of taking at 50mgs/day the sides of proviron are most likely to occur (one of which is prolonged and or permanent errection). Make sure you include it in there when using the dbol and when coming off the dbol. Hope this helps.
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 319 |
you should be fine with 5 x 25mg tabs of proviron in week 9 can you what kind of gains you are making, and how many cycles you have done? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 392 |
Proviron actually prevents aas from aromatizing whereas Nolvadex blocks the estrogen. hence when you stop using the Nolvadex you are gonna have estrogen around your boyd that are gonna occupy the receptor sites and then exerting its effects. I dont know anyone who has used 125mgs of Proviron/day? 5 tabs a day is a crazy amount to take. Do a proper search on proviron and you will find out all you need to know. ------------------ You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't try | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 668 |
Actually proviron will cut into gains due to the fact that it binds to androgen receptors. Therefore I would wait until you have completed you cycle and use it afterwords or at the very end for hardening purposes. Proviron: Proviron, or mesterolone, is a popular antiestrogen used by bodybuilders. It acts as an antiaromatase, which means it prevents the aromatization of steroids into estrogen. Proviron is frequently used by athletes on heavy cycles of steroids to prevent gynecomastia. It is also favored by competitive bodybuilders since a lower estrogen level corresponds with increased muscle hardness and lower water retention.One or two 25 mg per day should be sufficient to prevent gynecomastia. Proviron can also be combined with Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) if needed. Side effects are extremely rare with dosages under 100 mg per day. One major problem with Proviron is that it tends to reduce the gains made from a cycle. This is due to the fact that Proviron is an androgen and therefore binds to androgen receptor sites within the body. With Proviron binding to androgen receptor sites, the other steroids present in the body (androgens) are blocked out and unable to take effect. Consequently, many athletes prefer to keep the intake of Proviron at its minimum effective dosage in order to make sufficient gains while still preventing gynecomastia. Proviron is usually fairly easy to obtain on the black market. Most versions are manufactured by Schering and cost about $1-$2 per 25 mg tab. Proviron can come in push-through strips or small glass vials. There is currently no need to worry about authenticity when buying Proviron since no counterfeits of this product are known exist. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 668 |
You cycle looks good however your proviron dosing is a bit off. You shouldn't need any more than two a day consistantly. ------------------ | ||
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Novice
Posts: 4 |
Thanks for the input guys but I should have specified that I will not be taking Proviron for anti-estrogen effects but for serious hardening. I know that it will inhibit gains and that is why I want to start it at week 9, after the test. Is there another way to achieve hardness?? Please give me some more info. For anti-estrogens I'll be taking clomid eod during the cycle and if needed Nolvadex. So what to do for hardening? Does proviron cause hair loss? Thanks | ||
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Novice
Posts: 4 |
bump | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 690 |
the proviron will interfeer with your gains and in those dosages-a lot,arimedex is much more helpfull. |
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posted December 02, 2000 10:59 AM