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8man

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posted December 01, 2000 12:56 PM

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A buddy told me that primo speeds ut the natural hairloss in the same rate as Anadrol..

This can't be right..?

And another question..I've been told that u can use primo for a longer period of time than other steroids, becouse it's not so hard on the liver and does not convert to estrogen..and so on.

But using Primo over..let's say 12 weeks..is that very smart..? I'm thinking about the receptors..they still get exhausted even if it's Primo..right..?

And how does 300mg a week sound..?

I'm using only Primo.

It's been i while since i been in the gym, and need it to kickstart my big slow ass.

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8man

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posted December 01, 2000 01:17 PM

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Bump !


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Jeff_rys

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posted December 01, 2000 01:26 PM

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As long as you don't go over 600 mgr/week no need to worry about your hair, unless you are prone to hairloss.
I myself always did Primo for 12 weeks, but from now on i will do it for 9 weeks. I found out that the last 3 weeks where a waste of roid (no more gains). So or you stop when the gains stop, or you up the dose and you will gain some more.

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8man

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posted December 01, 2000 01:33 PM

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Thank's bro..sounds good.

My natural hairloss have started, i'm not bold..but my hair is pretty thin..i'm 29 years old. I don't think it's so cool to be bold before i'm 30.

But hey.." If u can't take the heat..get out of the kitchen"..right.


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andre

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posted December 01, 2000 01:38 PM

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primo does cause hairloss. 1.5 years ago i used a low dose of 200mg/week for 8 weeks.. if u are prone to hairloss, u will lose alot of hair..


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Pi Kappa Phi

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posted December 01, 2000 01:42 PM

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i lost a good chunk of locks on primo too.


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Tronco

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posted December 01, 2000 01:43 PM

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Jeff are you still considering that high dose primo cyle...I'm curious about what a gram a week will to the hairline.


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Jeff_rys

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posted December 01, 2000 03:26 PM

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Yes i will do this. Or i will begin 22/12 after seing my doc, or wait for another month, but i think of starting this month already. I didn't loose one hair with 600/week. I am taking Dercos, you have to put this on your scalp and leave it there. They claim you can regain 8 % of hair (depends on the person), BUT i did regain hair. But if i start loosing hair, i will stop the cycle.

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stalker

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posted December 01, 2000 04:08 PM

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I've been lucky on primo and hairloss (only short cycles, never noticed anything).

But I'm curious-- if Primo does not convert into DHT, but causes hair loss because it itself is a potent agonist on its own in the scalp, will spirolactone solution still work? If I remember right, spiro blocks the receptors from DHT by binding to the site itself, so that should block primo as well, correct?

I'd like to see other people's reasonsing along this line.


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PerfectRep

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posted December 01, 2000 05:58 PM

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I'm not sure if everyone is on the same page here. Primo is a DHT derivative, that's why it's called primobolan depot. Now the tabs are a different story.


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stalker

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posted December 01, 2000 08:31 PM

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I realize that Primo is indeed a derivative of DHT, and is actually less harsh than DHT, so it will cause less hairloss than equivalent amounts of test.

My question is whether this derivative of DHT can be blocked by spiro on your scalp, since DHT "eliminators" will not work (but if spiro attaches to receptor and can block the primo derivative, it just might work)


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RRECEIVER

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posted December 01, 2000 08:57 PM

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bump...this question never gets a real answer


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The_Natural

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posted December 02, 2000 01:49 AM

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bump


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Kingwinny

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posted December 02, 2000 02:10 AM

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bump bump the k
i plan on using primo and winny 4 my next cycle that could mean double trouble

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fistfullofsteel

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posted December 02, 2000 02:19 AM

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wow, sounds like a pretty expensive cylce. depends on how much you are paying i guess, but where i live they charge between 14-18 U.S. dollars. as for the hair loss thing, i think it's mostly genectics. thanks dad, you bastard, but my old man does feel guilty about the fact that I will loose some of my hair like him. still though, it doesn't make up for getting stuck with the curse of death.

it is the year 2000, what the fuck, still no cure for boldness. phewww, ok i feel better.


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whacker1

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posted December 02, 2000 10:06 AM

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UGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry.

Guys, just because Primobolan is a DHT *DERIVED* steroid, DOES NOT MEAN IT SHARES IT HIGH ANDROGENIC PROPERTIES. PERIOD!

It is *MUCH* less likely to cause hairloss than virtually any other drug out there. It is the *LEAST* androgenic commercially available steroid. If you lose hair while using it, you probably lose a lot more with other drugs.


You have all been corrected, now. No more misinformation, or I will have to crush you ;>


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Anabolicum Mister

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posted December 02, 2000 10:32 AM

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Perfectrep,

Primobolan Depot (methenolone enanthate) and Primobolan Tabls (methenolone acetate) are the same steroid. Only the esters are different. The fact that it is a DHT derivative means nothing really. It is a different chemical and will have different properties.

As to using spironolactone, go ahead. It will help to some degree with all steroids, because it competes for the AR. Make sure it is the topical form, not the orals.


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FtLauderdale

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posted December 02, 2000 10:54 AM

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I'm glad you guys passed this along. I was thinking of doing a primo cycle sometime soon, but now maybe not.


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Clay

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posted December 02, 2000 10:57 AM

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I've never tried Primo. I'm scared to death of loosing anymore hair. I've receded naturally big time over the last couple of years. I'm 37 so I guess I shouldn't bitch too much but it still sucks. Everyone on my father's side kept a nice crop but my grandfather on my mother's side.....son of bitch, if I don't look just like him. He was pretty bald in his 60's. I've been using Nizoral for a long time and it doesn't do shit for me but everyone's different. Good luck to ya. Clay


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FtLauderdale

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posted December 02, 2000 11:26 AM

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Anybody ever tried plugs? I've heard good things about it. This is where they take your own hair folicles from the back of your head & put them somewhere else---temples, etc.


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8man

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posted December 02, 2000 01:25 PM

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If u'r so afraid of loosing your hair that u'r gonna go with hairplugs..then maybe the hair is more important than the the muscles.

And in that case..don't use steroids..buy a big brush instead..(lol)


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Dr.Atlas

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posted December 02, 2000 01:36 PM

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Spironolactone or flutamide, applied topically, will compete with gear for androgen receptors at the scalp, decreasing the affects on any and all AS (please correct me if I'm wrong) on hair loss. True, it is possible that some AS have "non-receptor mediated effects". I'm waiting for a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor to come out (which will work fine on testosterone, but will have side effects like decreased sex drive). Peace!

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