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BigDad

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posted December 01, 2000 04:36 AM

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Bro’s, this is what my first cycle plan is :

W-Sust-Deca-d-bol
1—500-400--30mg/d
2—500-400--30mg/d
3—500-400--30mg/d
4—500-400--30mg/d
5—500-400--30mg/d*
6—500-400
7—500-400
8—500-300
9---HCG 1500ui 2/week
10--HCG 1000ui 2/Week-clomid100mg/day
11--------------------------100mg/day
12--------------------------50mg/day
13--------------------------50mg/day

* doing mini taper with d-bol in week5 to avoid a crash (6pills/day to 1pills/day in one week)

Of course nolva in hand just in case of!!

To give some background, info first,
I’m currently 28, almost 29, I weight 176lbs at 5’70’’tall, up to 9%bf probably. I am a mesomorph, training 5 times/week since 5 years.

I need your advice :

1-d-bol : For my bulking cycle is d-bal recommanding? Or must I keep it for a 2nd cycle?

2-Deca : Should I extend deca after last sust shoot to weeks 9 –10 (300-200mg/week of course week8 at 400) to avoid some crash?

3-Proviron : Should I need proviron (25 or 50mg/day) throughout the whole cycle (and starting it 2 weeks before first sust shoot)?
(prevent estrogen, water retention, better lean growth or decrease the
effectiveness of steroids)

Help Bros…I appreciate ur feed back and answers or any critic on my cycle…

Thanks for ur post.


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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 01, 2000 04:54 AM

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Seems like a great first cycle bro. Dont worry about the crash keep dbol @ 6 throughout. You have the Deca & Sust that should prevent you from crashing. You are gonna lose some weght but its gonna be water and not too much else.

I wouldnt use the hcg but hook up with clomid instead for 4 wks, starting from 10 days after your last sust shot at 100, 100, 50 50mgs.

One of the better first cycles posted. You could of course drop the test and do a straight deca dbol cycle. or sust dbol. Your first cycle you dont need to go overboard. But all in all, personally I like it.

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BigDad

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posted December 01, 2000 07:43 AM

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Ok, thanks for your post The_Iron_Game.

I have plane sust/deca/d-bol bulking cycle for two resons :

- The sust and d-bol to add the size and to contribute to the strength.

- The deca not only to adds strength but also to solidifies the gain from sust/d-bol.

If I do a d-bol/sust or d-bol/deca (perhaps problem of deca dick), should I expect to have the same gains (and keep most of them!!!)?

And what about for proviron?

Thanks for your futurs posts.

BigDad


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cachapa

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posted December 01, 2000 12:28 PM

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Sust: 750/750/500/500/500/500/500/500 (mg per week)
Deca: 400/400/400/400/300/300/200/200 (mg per week)
DBol: 50/50/50/50/50/50/40/30/20/10 (mg per day)

Clomid:
Week 11: 100mg/day
Week 12: 100mg/day
Week 13: 50mg/day
Week 14: 50mg/day

d-bol: Every 4 hours including night time.
deca: Once a week
sustanon : weeks 1 and 2 (Mon, Wed, Fri)
weeks 3 - 8 (Tues, Thurs)

Good Luck!


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santo smith

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posted December 01, 2000 12:32 PM

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ya..buddy no need for the hgc, just do the clomid for four weeks you will be fine.
when do you plan to start?


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giantset

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posted December 01, 2000 04:39 PM

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For a first cycle I wouldn't do all three I would drop one of the above but the dosages look good. I love dbol and test and personally don't loose much that I gain except water. I'm not a newbie and I just did the sust and deca like you have and I got good results. While most on this board use a shitload of gear it really isn't necessary until you have been using for a long time and are way way beyond your genetic potential. Since you said this is your first cycle don't go overboard until you have to. Some people react better to roids than others so go low until you find out how little you need. Check out the "STEROIDS AREN'T MAGIC" post. It explains it all clearly.

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Valdez

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posted December 01, 2000 04:44 PM

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That's too heavy of a cycle for a guy your size, especially for a first cycle.

I'm 5'7" 189, just turned 20. BF-8% I'm gonna do an EQ, dbol cycle (hopefully) or deca, dbol.

you do not need the sust in there. I would go for a Deca, dbol cycle. then 2nd cycle use sust250 and deca.


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BigDad

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posted December 02, 2000 04:06 AM

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Ok, Bro

Thanks for your post.
I have already read 2Thick post "STEROIDS ARE NOT MAGIC!!" and I totally agree with him.

But I train since 5 years, hardly 2, I eat properly and now I have reach a plateau.

I plan hard training, properly eating and good sleeping...and a bulcking cycle.

Deca /d-bol seems to be a good cycle too,

What about this :
Deca @ 400 week 1-6 / then 300 Week 7 and 200 Week 8
d-bol @ 300mg day/week1-5
Clomid @ 100mg/day week 9-10 / then 50mg/day week 11-12.
(or clomid 10 days after last deca shot).

Thanks for your help.

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BigDad

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posted December 02, 2000 04:08 AM

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Sorry,

Of course d-bol 30mg/ day (6 pills).


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Valdez

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posted December 02, 2000 02:01 PM

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that looks great. you should grow real well on that cycle. keep them calories up though!!


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giantset

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posted December 02, 2000 02:21 PM

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I think Badkins did a similar cycle but he used eq and he said he put on 30 lbs his first time out. You might as well run the dbol for 6 weeks since it will be your main androgen for the cycle. Good luck and eat up.

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superdave

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posted December 02, 2000 02:27 PM

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I agree with dropping one of the above since you are not big guy and it is your first cycle. If you have discipline and can wait for the gains, drop the dbol. If you want gains right off the bat, keep the dbol how it is and drop the sust, then you will have a classic newbie cycle of Dbol/deca.

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