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td24

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posted November 30, 2000 07:47 PM

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Tomorrow I'm doing a training split. Can I take 10ius in the morning after I work out and 10ius after the evening workout or would that be too much??


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2Thick

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posted November 30, 2000 07:54 PM

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Insulin is dangerous stuff. Wouldn't mess with it if I didn't have to.


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rocko

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posted November 30, 2000 07:58 PM

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Bump for 2thick, it is dangerous, but only if you are not well educated on it's use and effects. If you are asking this question you should probably do more research, in that research you will come across a whole buch of new iformation that can help you use insulin better and saffer. In answer to you question, provided you are using humulin-R, it should be okay. Humulin, injected cutaneously (under the skin as opposed to intramuscularly), will begin to take effect in 30 min and will peak within two hours. After 4 hours from the time of injection, insulin levels have returned to normal. So provided you are not going to work out with in that 4 hour window, there should be no problem, I would leave an extra hour just to be on the safe side, and always have access to dextrose tabs when using insulin just in case.

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b fold the truth

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posted November 30, 2000 08:43 PM

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You are starting too high. Take no more than like 5iu's per injection for a while. Slowly increase your amount...slowly. There is a big difference between 5 and 7iu's.

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td24

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posted November 30, 2000 09:37 PM

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Ive been taking it for about 4 weeks. I started slow and have done everything right. I have never felt hypoglycemic at all!! I was wondering if I could take it twice a day. It just so happens that I will be doing a split tomorrow. This split will not be a regular occurance.


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OMEGALOS

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posted November 30, 2000 10:03 PM

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Well, youre not supposed to take it at night. Humalin-R stays active in the system for like 6 hours. If you were to work out say 6pm till 7pm then take your insulin, it would still be in your body till 1am. IF you went to sleep at 11pm, you could have a hypoglycemic reaction in your sleep and not have time to react, therefore FUCKING YOURSELF UP GOOD. If your gonna do two doses, do one in the morning (after workout), and another in late afternoon (around 3), that way your safe.
Of course its up to you, its your life.
Here is a post I read a couple months ago, that was good, you can thank "monster" for itMonster
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Insulin isnt hard to use, but it must be used right. Humalin R will hit you in about 1/2 hour and will peak at 4 hours (by sub-q).
The general concensus has always been 10g of carbs per I.U., though this is actually far more than is needed. For beginners, 10g is a good way to go, till you understand better what is happeneing with it. Ive used insulin for years, and have never had any near-death experiances... but you MUST do it right.
Start out with no more than 5 I.U. right after your workout, and at no other time. This way you get a feel for it. Right after the shot, take in 50g of carbs, mostly simple, but a little complex is good (that is a topic for another day ). BE VERY AWARE OF THE TIME! At the 4 hour post injection point, the "R" will peak, meaning it will be at its strongest potency. At this point, a mixed meal of carbs and protien is the best thing for you. 25g of carbs should be a minimmum, but will more would be good too.
Heres a little insight into how insulin makes so many people fat.
Insulin is a partitioning agent. It takes the nutrients you eat, and sends them where they should go. Carbs get sent to the glycogen stores (brain, liver, muscles. in that order). Protien gets sent to be assimilated for tissue repair, and heres the kicker... fat gets sent to fat stores! Yep, any fat you eat during that 4 hours will be partitioned into fat stores!
This is why I will only use Humalog insuiln. It hits in 15 minutes, and peaks at 1 hour, then it clears your system. So its a 1 hour window of "food caution" as opposed to 4.
Once you get a feel for insulin, bump this post and we can discuss glucogen overcompensation. (or anyone else who is interested for that matter)

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jersey boy

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posted November 30, 2000 11:44 PM

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I have used it twice before with little or no sides. Just be SURE to have the extra simple carbs (my preference is in liquid form) on the side if/when you feel whoozy.

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lawnsaver

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posted December 01, 2000 12:38 AM

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well it is dangerous, but I can tell you from experience, I took 100ius...yes 100ius by accident for 3 straight days and the 3rd night was the only time I felt hypo I ate some tuna and a can of coke. 20 mins later I was fine. I'm not down playing insulin at all, but I took 460ius in 5 days and I did not die. For all the details see my thread.
I since learned to read my points correctly. I now take 10ius when I wake and 10 ius post workout. I now feel better. In those days I did feel weird, but never bad except the one night. Take it serious, but as you can see you can take much higher doses without dying.

BUT DONT DO IT!!!!! I DID IT BY MISTAKE.
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KODIAK99

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posted December 01, 2000 12:40 AM

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Joyrider

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posted December 01, 2000 04:48 AM

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Omegalos! Please let us in on some more info!!

I do 12IU twice a day. One in the morning and one after workout. I also use the Humalog as Omegalos described above. One thing..When do you really know when you have had the optimum level of insulin? Anyone??

JR


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strengthmonster

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posted December 01, 2000 06:53 AM

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Ok, I'd agree with Rocko, if you've got humalin R. You need a four hou window before you work out after taking your first shot. DO NOT TAKE IT BEFORE A WORKOUT. Training lowers your blood sugar level even further so combined with insulin in your system you heighten the risk of hypoglycemia. If you are gonna take it twice to split train, I'd try and get Humalog. It is the fastest acting. I used it myself on waking and post workout, training in the evening only. I only got up to 7iu/shot though.


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td24

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posted December 01, 2000 10:36 AM

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What do you guys think of taking Cell-Tech with the insulin after a workout. The Cell-Tech has 75g of carbs/sugars with some designer, I would Think it would be ok. Any opinions??


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strengthmonster

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posted December 01, 2000 10:40 AM

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Too expensive, but if you've already got it, use it. I get 100% Maltodextrin 2.5kilos for about �12 (less than $10)


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