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 Nolva Prevents Gains MYTH or FACT
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Cool Novice 
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I don't see how Nolvadex prevents gains. It only prevents estrogen from binding to it's receptors; therefore one could still befefit from added water weight caused by estrogen while avoiding gyno. Though, I could see Proviron reducing gains since it prevents estrogen from being made in the first place, but I have never heard this mentioned before. What do you think? ------------------     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 666 |
I TEND TO AGREE, THERE ARE SOME MYTHS ON THIS BOARD. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 312 |
I looked in the archives but couldnt find the posts I was looking for. As I remember, some of the gurus & mods were in agrrement that you would typically only see around 5-10% of your gains impeded by Nolvadex. Thats not really much lost & if you are prone to gyno, it may be well worth it to stay on it during your entire cycle. I have to say I have no first hand experience with gyno & I only keep nolv. on hand just in case. Some of the other bros can contribute more to the thread. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 109 |
It's bullshit!!! I have heard about 5% less gains. Definitely not a big deal. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
so you should not take nolva during your cylce unless you get the ichy titty? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 116 |
I've read that the body, for some unknown reason, builds muscle a "little" better with slightly elevated estrogen levels. But it seems like alot of BS to me. Alot of bro's here report that they just stay leaner and harder with the nolva, only sacrificing the extra water weight. BIG DEAL | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 2902 |
Ranger's words.... " Tis a far better thing to sacrifice ten pounds of water weight, than to gain five pounds of titties " ..... heh heh heh .... Just my thoughts Bro's... Ranger | ||
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Guru
Posts: 3390 |
There no myths involved here. If you consider water weight to be "gains" then yes it will inhibit your gains. I don't like the water anyway, it just leaves after the cycles over, no question. AS FAR AS LBM, IT DOESNT INHIBIT GAINS Slopain | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1065 |
Ranger, LOL, What's up bro????? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 312 |
Good one Ranger! : ) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 154 |
would nolva help the facial bloatness(swelling due to deca+sust)? or what would help? | ||
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Guru
Posts: 3390 |
it will reduce bloating anywhere/everywhere on your body from estrogen related bloating, now decas bloat is from progesterone, so I don't believe the nolvadex will help with that. Slopain ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 2902 |
It might reduce the puffyness a bit, but Nolva would inhibit IGF to a small degree....if you are using alot of dbol, test, etc. Use the Nolva, it's cheap...why chance it....add the clomid as well. If you are going to jack a gram+ per week of test....bring on the Armidex.... Ranger | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 26 |
I've heard about Nolvadex reducing the release of IGF-1 but what about Clomid? It's just about the same thing as Nolvadex and I've never heard about it hindering IGF-1 production! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1044 |
Nolvadex and Clomid are not just about the same thing. Although they do share some simularities, there is also major differences. Do a search on Nolvadex, then do a search on Clomid. You'll see. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
ok, finally word is... you do not need to take nolva if you have no symptoms now or in the past, right? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 171 |
I agree with Ranger... ------------------ Stay Healthy, Stay safe, Be Careful, Keep Growing | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 507 |
So as a prevention during a cycle what would you guys recommend as far as dosages of novladex?? Say 1/2 a tab a day (for no symptoms..just prevention) or EOD?? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 201 |
Damn I like that picture  20mg a day should do it...but I guess it is diff. from person to person... - Someguy | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 514 |
Sorry to give some bad news, but tamoxifen MAY indeed reduce gains from steroids. Estrogen is necessary for proper GH and IGF-1 levels, and several studies have shown that tamoxifen does decrease IGF-1 levels in chronic use, while other studies showed that it decreased both GH and IGF-1 levels. The agricultural scientists have been knowing that androgens with estrogens give better lean body mass gains than single preparations. BUT in bodybuilding, we must worry about the cosmetic effects of estrogens, so this must always be taken into account. De Marinis L, Mancini A, Izzi D, Bianchi A, Giampietro A, Fusco A, Liberale I, Rossi S, Valle D.
"Effect of acute and chronic administration of tamoxifen on GH response to GHRH and on IGF-I serum levels in women with breast cancer." Cozzi R, Attanasio R, Oppizzi G, Orlandi P, Giustina A, Lodrini S, Da Re N, Dallabonzana D. "Effects of tamoxifen on GH and IGF-I levels in acromegaly." Weissberger AJ, Ho KK. "Activation of the somatotropic axis by testosterone in adult males: evidence for the role of aromatization." | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 323 |
So far (touch wood) I have never suffered from any either. My last course was the highest I've ever used. 1g test/wk + 300mg primobolan dep./wk + 100mg a-bombs/day. I got paranoid and took 10mg EOD of nolvadex just as a precauton. Still had no syptoms, so it depends on your sensitivity. On the other hand I know some guys who have got bitch tits from just a few winstrol. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 417 |
That was what I was thinking of. It is supposed to reduce IGF levels in the body, decreasing the chance for muscle growth. I don't think it takes away your gains, I think it slows them. But the idea is right, because tamoxifen competes for the same receptor site as the estrogen in breast tissue. But did you know that women who use nolvas for cancer issue take for a minimum of 5 years? Geez, thats alot of nolvadex. Nick |
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posted November 29, 2000 05:19 PM
