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 First Cycle For A 20 Year Old
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Cool Novice 
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I am 20yrs old and have been training for 6yrs now, I have competed and done very well throughout my Teens. I am looking to get much bigger, but want to do it right, I have been reading up on roids for a while now. I have never used any steroid before, but have used every over the counter supplement. I don't want to use any Test for the first time out and am considering an 8-10week Deca only at 200mg a week with no taper or an 8week Deca and EQ with the Deca at 200mg/Week and the EQ at 200mg/week. Please help comments or advice greatly appreciated.    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 59 |
Your first time out you should hit it fairly hard. your receptors are fresh and you can get very good results on mediocre dosages. I think it would be wise of you to use some test. It is the backbone of any bulking cycle. I would suggest 500 mg sus for eight weeks 400 mg deca for eight weeks followed by clomid and get some nolvadex if you need it ofcourse.  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1123 |
MANY MATCHES UNDER SEARCH 'FIRST CYCLE' ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 213 |
I WOULD NOT DO A DECA ONLY CYCLE BRO, YOU HAVE A CHANCE OF GETING DECA DICK AND WITH 200mg/WEEK YOU WILL NOT SEE THAT GOOD OF GAINS. FIRST WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS ? IF YOU WANT TO CUT, YOU COULD TRY PRIMO AND EQ BOTH AT 300-400mg/WEEK AND YOU COULD ALSO THROW SOME WINNY IN THERE TO MAKE IT THAT MUCH BETTER. IF YOU WANT TO BULK YOU COULD GO WITH DECA AT 300-400mg/WEEK AND ADD SOME D-BOL OR SOME TEST. I KNOW YOU SAID YOU DID NOT WANT TO USE TEST BUT IT IS VERY GOOD FOR BULKING. HOPE THIS HELPS A LITTLE. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU CAN DROP ME A LINE AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO HELP YOU OUT. M18 | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
Kodiak, I have read a lot under the search, I am just trying to get all the info I can, especially being that I am younger. I know that I have high natural Test levels and don't want to use Test for my first few cycles. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 438 |
Tallguy has the right idea. YOu could even throw in some dbol Nick | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 872 |
My first cycle. Deca 400mg/week 1-8 Eq 300mg/week 1-10 I gained 15 lbs and kept all of it. I actually started out at 200mg/week on both and quickly realized to up the dosage. I didn't get deca dick but certainly lost my desire for awile. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
Hacker, How old were you? No taper? Did you eat a lot of calories and protein? Why the EQ longer? How about strength? Thanks for the help man... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 872 |
Yes taper both on the last week. I'm 30 years old. Keep your calories high especially protein with Deca/eq. Strength gains were good, but didn't start to notice until about week 5. (thats why I ran the eq longer) Gains are slow but permanent. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 281 |
I'm 21 and on my second cycle of test. Deca alone sux, stay away from that. go with sus 500mg and deca you will be alot happier..later | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1170 |
If you want to bulk, nothing beats dbol stacked with either deca or eq--I did eq and dbol and gained about 30 pounds and haven't lost too much yet and I took my last clomid last week...e-mail me if you've got other questions about a first cycle, I'd be happy to help... ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
Badkins, I don't want to use anything for my first cycle except for Deca or EQ, I like the looks of Hackers Cycle...Is everyone in agreeance that Deca must be at least 400mg/w to get gains? Even on a first cycle? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1170 |
Bro, this is no flame, but look up the word "SYNERGY..." Certain drugs work in different ways, and both deca and eq take a few weeks to really kick in, so dbol is great way to kickstart your gains...you're strength will skyrocket due to the major water retention, and your pumps will be insane...I agree that you should keep your first cycle light, but not so light that you don't get the most out of it...the risks won't be that much greater if you stack, but your gains will most definitely be less...again, just my 2 cents--like I said, I'm not a vet or anything, I just know what just finished working for me and I was a lot more skeptical than you... ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
Badkins, I am aware of the synergestic effects of stacking a higher androgenic like Dbol with a lower androgenic, mostly anabolic such as Deca or EQ, but for the first time out I believe that I should start with less drugs and dosage, I could always add the Dbol or some Sust250 to a 2nd or a 3rd cycle, but as for the first cycle it's strictly Deca or EQ. What do you guys think about using some Androstendiol or dione at a higher dosage as an androgenic? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 872 |
Stay away from the prohormones. They're useless and total waste of money. Don't expect 30 lbs from deca/eq. Like I said I gained 15 lbs. It all depends on what your goals are. If you wanna gain 30lbs right away then deca/eq isn't gonna get the job done. If you want to gain slow, like I elected to do, then go with deca/eq. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
Hacker, My Goals are to eventually get HUGE, but for now and especially on the first few times out Gaining slow (More Quality over Quantity) is absolutely fine with me. 15lbs. would be great and really enhance my physique. Can you give me some examples of how your strength and size went up or anything else portraining to this type of a cycle so I may know what to expect. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 872 |
I don't know what your stats are, but for me without getting into boring details my strength increased on average of 10-15%. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
Hacker, you said it took you 5 weeks to notice strength, how long did it take for you to notice anything? What was the first sign that it was working? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 872 |
After 2-3 weeks you'll notice alot bigger pumps in the gym. The eq really increased my appetite as well. You have to patient. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
Hacker, did you experience any sort of side effects? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 849 |
I am going to hit the EQ, test cycle sometime in the near future. Test is best in my book. I have had the dreaded deca dick and it sucked. No more deca for me ever again. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 872 |
No sides. Sex drive went down, but still could perform. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
MP5 explain to me exactly what occurs with the "Deca Dick" | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 849 |
Deca dick? How about ZERO sex drive and when you finally bring yourself to do it, your boy won't rise to the occasion or gets half way and stops. That messes with your head in a bad way. Before you all flame away, NO the girl was hot, not a pig. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
MP5, how much were you using? How long? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 17 |
I'm 22 myself and took the plunge about a week ago into anabolics. Here is what it looks like: ....Eq....Deca....Win....Clomid 1..400mg..400mg 2..400mg..400mg 3..400mg..400mg............1tab/eod 4..400mg..400mg............1tab/eod 5..400mg..400mg............1tab/eod 6..400mg..400mg............1tab/eod 7..400mg..400mg............1tab/eod 8..400mg.........50mg/eod..1tab/eod 9..300mg.........50mg/eod..1tab/eod 10.300mg.........50mg/eod..1tab/day 11...............50mg/eod..2tab/day 12...............50mg/eod..1tab/day Keep in mind when looking at this that I am prone to gyno hence no test. To counter act the deca dick I have a couple of Sust amps on hand (just in case). I don't know if that helps you at all but if you are interested I can keep you posted on my progress. Good luck! | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 4757 |
Deca 200 200 300 300 400 400 300 300 200 200
Simple and effective. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 109 |
Anyone who say you should stack on a first cycle is a fucking moron. You guys give steroids a bad name. Do like 2thick says and you will be happy. Some people on this boards are really stupid and ignorant!!! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 11 |
quote: Receptors are "fresh?" This is one of those stupid, scientifically unsubstantiated claims that amazingly still continues to surface in the bodybuilding world. The logic behind such claims invariably stems from the fact that most people tend to make their greatest gains during their first cycle. Gee, do ya think that might have something to do with the fact that one will usually have more muscle mass on subsequent cycles? | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 7 |
I`m 22 and my first cycle was 1 shot of sust250 every 5 days, it worked real good and I went to the next level of size. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
Vengeance, you are right and very logical in your post, but it is also true that when you have an abundance of a certain chemical in your system your body compensates by decreasing the number or function of receptors... so hitting virgin receptors hard would give you your biggest results ever, physiologically. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 93 |
I say take deca, primobolan, and winstrol, you need to take about 500mgs of deca a week for 10 weeks, and start 300mgs of primobolan on week 6 and take for 6 weeks, making 12 weeks and then start the winstrol on week 10, and use it for 3 to four weeks, makin a grand total of 14 weeks. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 297 |
I dont understand this guy he wants to do steriods but he does not want to do them. Make up you mind steroids are not like heroine,here. Do like the 2nd or 3rd post said the sus at 500 and some eq. do it smart and be happy. Not a Flame just figure out your goals. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 244 |
Dude, listen to me. There is nothing better than a good Sust/deca cycle, especially for newbies. i did if for my first Sust @ 500 1-8 | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
quote: How long did you do this for, Builder??? I am in the same boat as Alky (but probably a bit smaller)... All this info helps alot...
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 337 |
Bro, There are two schools on this board; play it safe and hit them hard. I would do what 2thick outlined. I gained 12 lbs and keep 10 lbs. on the following cycle: Since I am affected easily by AS, I got Deca Dick after the third week. Don�t ask why I increase week 3 primo to 200. I was getting inpatient Good Luck | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
Why the build up on Deca like 2Thick suggested? I do want to use them, I just want to use them the right way to get the best possible long-term gains, I have been Natural this long there is no need to rush into anything. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 337 |
I personally have a great deal of respect for 2thick. He knows his shit. He has a lot of experience dealing with Deca. From what I have read side effects from Deca can be limited by pyramiding the Deca. I do not have any scientific evidence to prove this but I trust 2thick. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
I thought that side effects can be prevented by tapering, not by pyramiding, is the pyramid just since it is my first time out? Really, 20-25lbs??? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
2Thick, will you please explain? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 137 |
Hey bro, I did a deca only cycle for 8 weeks at 400mg a week. I gained 18lbs. I ate protein and carbs like crazy. But I think im one of the lucky few whose body reacts very easily to Deca. Nick | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
What does everyone think of 2Thicks' cycle? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 113 |
Bro, Ok im 21 and into my 4th cycle now i expect im gonna get flamed for this but trust me on this one i know this from a wasted sust cycle. Ok we being young seem to have high levels of test and the addition of 500mg of sust will do shit for you in my opinion and my source and 3 friends will back me up on this cycle...!
Ok this will pack on size and you should keep most of it, if you dont want to do test drop the test and tack it with d'bol starting high then tapering down over 4 weeks but keep the rest the same if you really wanna go for it add some cyp to the cycle from weeks 1 to 4 @ 250mg or 200mg depends on what type you can get...! I think people on this board tend to go for sust because it is so avalible (No flame's intended bro's) but i have found as well as my friends that it is not as good a mass builder as enanthate and/or cyp this is just my opinion and peoples will vary but this is what i have found works for me and most other people. I have also found that young people seem to need MORE A/S to get the same results one of my friends is 32 and the other 22 they did the same cycle and both eat well the older guy put on more mass I thought this was strange so i did the same cycle as my friend and again did not put on the same as the older guy and i stuffed my face...! If i was you i would ask E2 what cycle you should do and go with that....! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 192 |
Mikai, That is some bad advice. Just because you are too lazy to eat well and train hard, does not mean that you can just up the dosages until you get the gains you like. Maybe you are very un-lucky genetically, but either way your cycle is a huge waste of money. Alcatraz20 Listen to 2thick about the deca cycle. he explained to me that the reason you pyramid it is because it helps to keep more gains while avoiding Deca Dick. It works. I used d-bol for the first 3 weeks to give me a boost though. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
Sorry but I agree with M1KAI. I have tried most forms of test and have found enanthate (testoviron depot) and cypionate (testex prolognatum) to be more effective than sus. I have tried several types of sus as well over the years but never had the same kick. Deca by itsself is OK but I'd still be concerned about deca dick until you know you are safe. I have had it bad twice and it isn't funny. I even got in when on test as well so I stay well away from deca now. Also there is nothing wrong with a beginner stacking as long as they don't go over the top. I stacked on my first course with low dosages and put on 28lb. If you are taking two drugs at half the amount of one, giving a synergistic effect, then how can it cause more damage? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 113 |
Spawn, Ok bro i did not eat enough on one cycle due to the fact i could not force feed myself but i use ganabol now stacked in every cycle and dont have a problem eating. And HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD I TRAIN....! I train hard as hell i think it a bad idea to make asumptions like that if you dont know the person. When i train i somtimes make myself sick it happens about once every month usaully on leg day but i push myself to my limit. Keep opinions like that to yourself unless you know me personally...! ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
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M1KAI suggests a very good first cycle, minus the d-bol. I also agree that cyp is the best test. But I want to go on record here... you should wait another year until you are 21 to start. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
Ok, I am leaning towards the cycle that 2Thick suggested, but what about the EQ, should I use it or not. I think that I am too young for Test but not for Deca or EQ, any Thoughts??? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 872 |
Bro you got 47 replies. You can get another 47 and still be confused. You have to make decisions on your own. We cant make them for you. I'm not flaming here at all, but I think you need to make an educated decision on your own. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 113 |
Alcatraz20, Ok your gonna do the cycle 2Thick suggested OK fair enough but if your gonna do that cycle think really hard about stacking some cyp with it at 200mg or 250mg a week for most of the cycle you will get more out of it...! Its your choice bro Im a bit overkill sometimes i will admit but after all that deca you may do a cycle later on and find you wished that you added a good test to your cycle...! I wish i had done deca with my D'bol cycle...! Unfortunatly we only learn by what we do and what works well and what does not work well each of us is very different and genetics have a role in this as well some people respond well to certain AS then others dont its about what works for you and not what works for other people 2Thick likes his deca and it works well for him but may not work so well for other people its just the way it goes (No flames intended 2Thick..!) So make your choice but set a target to where you want to be and learn by your first couple of cycles you will know what you need to reach your goal's i only need about 2 more cycles after this one to get to my 210lbs mark im not that tall 5'10. good luck anyway ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
Thanks for all of the info, but what about the EQ should I take it with the Deca or not? Will I see better results in size, strength, etc...? |
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posted November 29, 2000 02:35 PM
