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aky

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posted November 28, 2000 05:49 PM

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i was just thinking of my next cycle. Small cycle or normal cycle (dossages). I was reading a few things and came to this conclusion:

If i do a cycle with low dossases my body will easly adjust to the new body-weight increase(about 10-15 lbs), rather, than on a higher dossage cycle my body will not adjust to the new body-weight (about 25-30 lbs) and reject the weight.

So, if i do a cycle with low dosses shouldnt it be more quality muscle... i return be long term?!?!?!?!

aky

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aky

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posted November 28, 2000 05:52 PM

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HIGH DOSES CYCLE

WK---SUST---EQUPOISE----D-BOL--ARIMIDEX-----CLOMID--
WK1--750----600(12cc)---30-----1 ED(7tabs)----------
WK2--750----600(12cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK3--750----600(12cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK4--750----600(12cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK5--750----600(12cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK6--750----600(12cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK7--750----600(12cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK8--750----600(12cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK9---------600(12cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK10--------600(12cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--100ED---
WK11--------600(12cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--50ED----
WK12--------600(12cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--50ED----


LOWER DOSE CYCLE

WK---SUST---EQUPOISE----D-BOL--ARIMIDEX-----CLOMID--
WK1--250----600(8cc)---30-----1 ED(7tabs)----------
WK2--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK3--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK4--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK5--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK6--250----400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK7--250----400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK8--250----400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK9---------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK10--------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--100ED---
WK11--------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--50ED----
WK12--------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--50ED----

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BigPhysicsBastard

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posted November 28, 2000 05:54 PM

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It's all relative to what You've done before. Low dosage for you may be high dosage for someone else. Look at this way, what is the lowest possible dosage to take to see decent gains? I personally do it that way. I would much rather gain 5 lean hard ass pounds than 25 puffy pussy ass pounds. Just look at your past cycles, you can't do less than you've done before, unless you cease gear use completely for a number of years.


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Beezers

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posted November 28, 2000 07:19 PM

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How about a medium dose cycle. Both those cycles are set up very well but what about 500 sust and 400 eq. Right smack dab in between the two cycles you had in mind. You theory is right on though. That's good thinking.

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Beezers

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posted November 28, 2000 07:19 PM

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How about a medium dose cycle. Both those cycles are set up very well but what about 500 sust and 400 eq. Right smack dab in between the two cycles you had in mind. Your theory is right on though. That's good thinking.

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2Thick

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posted November 28, 2000 07:23 PM

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Always do a low dosage cycle. Unless you are very impatient, you will reach your goal with low dosages.

I think most of us are in it for the long-run (and anyone who isn't, doesn't understand the game).

BTW- Your low dosage cycle looks high dosage to me.


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DSPO

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posted November 28, 2000 09:01 PM

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I have been contemplating the same exact thing. I was able to gain and keep 12 lbs. on only 200mg Deca for 5 weeks, 100mg Primobolan for 8 weeks and 250mg Sustanon-2 injections. That is very light but I still gained 12 lbs. Granted I trained very hard and eat like an animal. Originally I was going to do the heavy cycle but I am now leaning towards the light one. The light cycle is twice as much gear as I used when I gained 12 lbs. I am sure that I will gain 15 � 20 lbs. on the light cycle.

Thoughts?

Heavy Cycle
Week..Dbol....Sust....Deca...Primo..Clomid
1........30......750.....400.....-.......-
2........30......750.....400.....-.......-
3........30......500.....400.....-.......50
4........30......500.....400.....-.......50
5........30......500.....400.....-.......50
6........ -......500.....400.....-.......50
7........ -......500.....400.....-.......50
8........ -......500.....400.....-.......50
9........ -......-.......-.......400.....50
10........-......-.......-.......400.....100
11........-......-.......-.......400.....100
12........-......-.......-.......-.......50

Light Cycle
Week..Dbol....Sust....Deca...Primo..Clomid
1........25......250.....200.....-.......-
2........20......250.....200.....-.......-
3........15......250.....300.....-.......-
4.........-......250.....300.....-.......-
5.........-......250.....300.....-.......-
6.........-......250.....300.....-.......-
7.........-......250.....200.....-.......-
8.........-......250.....200.....-.......-
9.........-......-.......-.......300.....-
10........-......-.......-.......300.....100
11........-......-.......-.......300.....100
12........-......-.......-.......-.......50

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bigpun

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posted November 28, 2000 09:18 PM

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2thick, I was contemplating a somewhat similar cycle (my first) with Sust250 only. Do you think 250mg/every 5 days would be sufficient to give me 15lbs of LBM (stats: 6'0ft, 195lbs, 12%bf), or should I go with 500mg/week?

How's everything going Aky?...I hope the chest is healing well. Reply and tell me how everything's going now after surgery.


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LivinLarger

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posted November 28, 2000 10:24 PM

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I see no reason to up the doses if you respond well to low doses. My first was just 250 of sus/wk for 8 wks, I gained 23lbs kept about half of it. Just started my second cycle 250 of sus 300 deca /wk x8 I am up nine lbs in ten days, I did not expect anything for three weeks!!! Others may disagree and I guess they have their reasons, I think people respond differently to gear.


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bigpun

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posted November 29, 2000 12:34 AM

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larger, what were your stats before your sust cycle of 250mg/week?


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aky

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posted November 29, 2000 05:46 AM

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First off this would be my first cycle!

2Thick,
What would be your ideal dossages for a low dose cycle with sust/eq?r What are your thoughts on dbol?

Bigpun,
everything's going well.. the chest is healing up but the doc told me it'll take about 6 months for the skin to fully adjust to the new shape! There's just a bit of 'flabbyness' but everthing else is great!

aky

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BigBald-1

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posted November 29, 2000 06:50 AM

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AKY, if it's your first cycle, why not just use the sust 250mg a week for 8 weeks. You can see how your body reacts to it. Your will definitely gain a shitload of weight on the heavy cycle though. I like heavier cycles because at least I get to weigh 30 lbs. more for a few weeks. I usually only lose about ten lbs. post cycle.


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DSPO

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posted November 29, 2000 09:25 AM

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Bump for 2thick


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aky

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posted November 29, 2000 06:15 PM

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ya that's what i'll prob. do! I'm going to see how my first cycle goes and how i react with:

WK---SUST---EQUPOISE----D-BOL--ARIMIDEX-----CLOMID--
WK1--250----600(8cc)---30-----1 ED(7tabs)----------
WK2--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK3--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK4--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK5--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK6--250----400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK7--250----400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK8--250----400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK9---------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK10--------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--100ED---
WK11--------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--50ED----
WK12--------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--50ED----

do you guys this that i need armidex?? I just got my gyno removed... if i use clomid throughout my cycle do you think armidex is necessary???

aky

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aky

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posted November 29, 2000 06:15 PM

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ya that's what i'll prob. do! I'm going to see how my first cycle goes and how i react with:

WK---SUST---EQUPOISE----D-BOL--ARIMIDEX-----CLOMID--
WK1--250----600(8cc)---30-----1 ED(7tabs)----------
WK2--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK3--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK4--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK5--250----400(8cc)---30-----1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK6--250----400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK7--250----400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK8--250----400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK9---------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)----------
WK10--------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--100ED---
WK11--------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--50ED----
WK12--------400(8cc)----------1/2EOD(3.5)--50ED----

do you guys this that i need armidex?? I just got my gyno removed... if i use clomid throughout my cycle do you think armidex is necessary???

aky

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