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PANTS

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From:UNITED KINGDOM
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posted November 25, 2000 04:57 AM

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Can people please recommend any oral (non- injecting) cycles to try?
I'm 25- 190 lbs, with 9-10% B.Fat.


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The_Iron_Game

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posted November 25, 2000 06:09 AM

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You are gonna have to get used to the idea of injecting if you want to see dramatic results. Orals alone just wont kick it. More sides and less gains kept.

Try Anavar, Winny and Dbol.

Seriously get used to the idea of injecting.

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KODIAK99

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posted November 25, 2000 09:25 AM

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well said. . .orals are a good stacking supp, but not the mainstay of a good cycle with gains you might keep. Too much liver stress for the results, if you really insist on an oral only try, anavar, if you're just looking for bulk go with ABOMBS or DBOL. Good luck and remember they wont work as well as a solid stack with a good oil base.

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micke

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posted November 25, 2000 09:40 AM

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do cycles whit abombs 2-4 tabs/day for six weeks or diabol 15-20 tabs/day for six weeks
i have made verry good muscles whit just oral
AS.but i like to inj too...

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DSPO

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posted November 25, 2000 12:15 PM

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I agree with the bros above.

With the exception of Anavar, orals are harsh on the liver. Most bros only use Dbol to kick-start their cycle. Normally used at the beginning of a cycle and for only 4 to 6 weeks.

You will grow on Dbol however; a lot of the gain will be water that will be difficult to keep. Anavar improves strength by a creating high phosphocreatine synthesis in the body and it is not as harsh on the body. However, as the main choice it would be to weak for any major gains.

I did not like the idea of injections at first but after my first week I was knocking at my friends door every Saturday morning at 8AM.

Stack orals with oils

Peace


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Natymike

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posted November 25, 2000 01:07 PM

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yea Pants, we were all like you at one point, you want to get huge without injecting, well, its probably not going to happen, I took a d-bol only cycle, put on 15 and kept maybe 5, also, orals are much harder on the liver, I know you think they are probably safer, but they pass through the liver twice whereas injectables pass through once. Do some reasearch, you could stack d-bol and one injectable and get huge.

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Beezers

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posted November 25, 2000 01:37 PM

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Needles are half the fun. Gives you something to do and look forward to. Who gets excited about popping a couple pills. Now shots on the other hand are exciting. You can get excited about loading up the dart with your goodies of choice and then see them slowly enter your body. Oh yeh, and they are also far more effective and much easier on the body.

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santo smith

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posted November 25, 2000 02:22 PM

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hey bro, it not a big deal you can do it, it will not hurt that bad


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ArnoldWannaBe

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posted November 25, 2000 02:49 PM

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DSPO or anyone else,

I am considering a stack of Sustanon, Equipoise, and D-bol. What dosage of D-bol (Thai Anabol) do you think will be sufficient for the first 4-6 weeks of the cycle?

I weigh about 190 pounds.

Thanks,
AWB


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winstrol69

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posted November 25, 2000 02:54 PM

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andriol.


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Spunky

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posted November 25, 2000 10:19 PM

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i did good on dbols only but most people haven't. get ya some test bro, its great.


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PANTS

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posted November 28, 2000 04:49 AM

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aaaaH! Needles!
I realise I won't make such good gains on orals as with proper cycles, but the way I see it: I'm making just as good gains as some of the guys who are on the gear at my gym.
Therefore I must have good genetics. I only want something thats going to give me the extra edge.
Maybe I have to enter this my own way. eg do a cycle of orals, and then eventually got on to the hard shit. Who knows!

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strengthmonster

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posted November 28, 2000 07:09 AM

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Woah, hang on. Why is it hard shit just because its in a needle? This is not heroin you know. Most injectables are safer than orals. People have been recommending you try anapalon 50s, which are probably one of the most harmful. I use them but I am what I would consider an advanced user. People just have this stigma with needles. If it's actually administrating the shots that bothers you then fair enough but don't think that orals are any less hard.

If you are determined just to stick to orals, for now at least, give some dbols a try. Just watch out for fakes in the UK. There are loads out there. A-bombs may be unneccessary this early on.

[This message has been edited by strengthmonster (edited November 28, 2000).]


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VEINS

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posted November 28, 2000 07:49 AM

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Sticking a needle in your arse & leg is similar to shagging.A virgin will get butterflies in his stomach just thinking about what it is like to stick his dick in for the first time.Ditto with a needle.The day comes when the virgin gets layed & 10 seconds later(ha,ha) he says to himself,"jeez,there's nothing to it.I'm gonna do that again".Ditto with a needle.
The more times you get layed,the better you become at doing it.Ditto with a needle.
If you're real good,you become a porn star like me called Donkey Jones lol!Ok,ok but you get the general picture bud'.


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meathead011

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posted November 28, 2000 08:10 AM

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good analogy VEINS


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el cubano

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posted November 28, 2000 08:28 AM

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What is your goal? Do you want to bulk, cut, strengthen?

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BigTruck

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posted November 28, 2000 12:14 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by micke:
or diabol 15-20 tabs/day for six weeks


Ummm... don't take 15 - 20 tabs a day of (5 mg) dbol. ESPECIALLY as a newbie. Stay within 25 -50 mg/day, preferably around 30 -35. Dbol is powerful stuff.

Aside from that, what everybody else said. Get used to the idea of needles. If you're not hardcore enough to shoot, you shouldn't be popping pills -- you'll (potentially) fuck yourself up for not much of a reason. Good luck.


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LJ2

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posted November 28, 2000 01:09 PM

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Just to let you know Bro I was very afraid of needles and now they are no problem. I do my own shots and I shoot in the gluteus and in thighs. I've seen blood and I've felt hitting the nerve. You'll get to where it doesn't bother you anymore.

LJ2


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JayisCrazy

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posted November 28, 2000 02:33 PM

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Strenthmonster is bang on there! Orals are much worse on you.
Jay


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giantset

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posted November 28, 2000 08:29 PM

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While I personally can't afford it right now, an anavar/dbol cycle or anavar/winny cycle doesn't sound like a bad idea and wouldn't be too hard on your liver. Say like 30-50mg of anavar and 30mg dbol for 8 weeks or maybe 50mg/day winny and 30-50mg anavar for 8 weeks. You could really run the anavar for much longer than 8 weeks if you have the money. I wouldn't expect to put on more than 10-15 lbs LBM with a cycle like that but if all he wants is an extra edge in the gym then this would go beyond his expectations. If you would like to donate the gear I will test this cycle out for you or you can just try it yourself. A friend of mine started out doing 50mg drol a day for a month at a time and he would keep 5-10 lbs after the cycle. It's not much but he liked it. I wouldn't have done it but unto each his own.

giantset

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thesuperstar

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posted November 28, 2000 10:17 PM

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oral will kill the liver. injections will get you swoll.

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winstrol69

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posted November 28, 2000 11:18 PM

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anavar


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