Hey fellas. Still working on the short cycle plan and trying to figure out the best route to go with. At first test prop seemed like the best choice, simply because it is out of the system so quick. But after hearing and reading that almost all users report very bad soreness and swelling at the injection site, I am kinda exploring other options. I have to use some sort of test because I will soon get a script for propecia and so test is about all I can use if I want to keep my hair. After talking to several elite board members, I was assured that enanthanate would work great for a short cycle and since it has a half life of 4 days, it should be about 94% gone by the 16th day of the cycle, which is just barely pushing the two week point.

Talking with our own Juice Willis, it seems as if enanthante would work but might start to inhibit test production a little toward the end. But the question remaining is how much will it inhibit it and will this slight inhibition be enough to cancel out most of the benefits of short cycles. But then again, if you were to take 50mg clomid EOD and for one week after at 50 mg per day, maybe you could prevent the shutdown or at least bring test levels up very quickly (hopefully in a week.) But, if you are shutting down test production at all, you are not using the short cycle plan to its fullest potential, right?

So until someone has tried enanthanate and used it successfully in a short cycle I guess the decision will still be unsolved. Drexx, I am counting on your "experiment" to help me with this! The idea of just talking a large amount on day 1 (like 1500-2000mgs of enanthanate which is what I have considered) would be very nice since you wouldn't have to dread each painful injection day like you would with test prop. If prop is such a painful injection and is sore for several days after it would be very hard to find a new injection spot everytime, especially if you wanted to do 150 mg per day which would be 3 cc's. Anyway, All feedback on this is welcome and appreciated.

This was my first plan: (propecia everyday of course)

Days 1-14: 150 mg of test prop EOD, clomid 50 mg EOD and for one week after at 50 mg/day.

My other option I have been considering is this: (propecia ED)

Dai 1: 1500-2000mg of enanthanate, clomid EOD and at the end just like the first plan.

After both of these plans, there would be a 3 week break followed by another short cycle over and over again. Theoretically, If I could pick up a minimum of 4 lbs (but hopefully more) per cycle, this would give me a grand total of 40 lbs in one year. I have even thought of increasing the dosage as I go, starting at 1500 mg of enanthanate on day one and then increasing by 250 mg every 3 or 4 cycles til I get to 2 grams on day one for the last several cycles.

Both cycles would incorporate Creatine (because of the creatine/testosterone synergy posted by Juice) and glutamine at pretty high doses, like 30 g of each per day. Post cycle, these supplements would be continued but at lower doses, maybe 10-15 grams each. So lets here some opinion on this one. For now, I will keep lifting and saving my money until I can afford to get a full years worth of gear. I am already trying to figure out ways to make this cheaper and I figure I could probably talk a source into giving me a discount if I bought a large amount. More to come later...

WTF is going on here?

Elite used to be a good board and now good posts are getting zero responses???

This is based on through intelligent people that actually know what they are talking about like Bill Roberts.

Any your HPTA will not get fucked up in 14 days. Beyond that it's starts to crash...

The key is having all drugs gone in 14 days.

I did a short cycle and gained 8lbs. Only 0.5lbs was fat.

I have stopped 11 days ago and only lost 2lbs. I was using dbol so I assume it's water

I am also interested in this because I have trouble bringing my natural test back up post cycle.

The update was posted as well but now its not in the archives or active???

I bet it will resurface in a couple days...
http://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/Forum1/11-2000/037352.html

OK, here is a new possibilty: Testosterone phenyl-propionate. I did a search on the net for this and all I came up with was that it had a half life that is a few days longer than just regular propionate. I know it is contained in sust. What I don't know is this:

1.) What is the half life and how often must shots be taken?

2.) Would it give the same pain and swelling at the injection site that regular old propionate would would?

Just from the little bit of info I found, it looks as thought this may be the answer to my quest for a good short cycle drug for myself. Injections would not have to be as frequent, and it still has a relatively short half life, so with proper timing, it could most likely be out of the system at the critical 2 week point. So let's get some feedback here and get this ball rollin'. Huck/Juice, I need you here too, good buddy.

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Every morning in Africa, a gazelle wakes up. It realizes that it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be killed.
Every morning in Africa, a lion wakes up. It realizes that it must run faster than the slowest gazelle, or it will starve to death.

The moral?

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Originally posted by The Shadow:
Mav. - check out my post here on the board titled "When to end cycle" it has the details of my last cycle.

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I typed in that exact phrase and couldn't find it. I looked in the archives and the current posts.