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kato

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posted November 22, 2000 06:30 PM

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im just wondering cause rightnow im using the gnc brand glutamine powder, and im not so sure its doing anything.

help bros


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cockdezl

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posted November 23, 2000 05:14 AM

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L-glutamine is a specific isomer of glutamine and is the prefered form, the other form being D-glutamine, which if I remember correctly is not utilised by the body.
Glutamine MAY be a poor quality glutamine having simply a 50:50 ratio of the L and D forms, or it may just be L-glutamine and the company just did not bother specifying the isomer.
Glutamine peptides are chains of glutamine with varying lengths, i.e. di-, tri-, tetrapeptide meaning 2, 3, and 4 glutamines, respectively. Peptides are claimed to be absorbed better than single glutamine molecules, but I have not seen the evidence on this, so I cannot validate this claim.


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rainhorn

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posted November 23, 2000 07:40 AM

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What's the difference between Glutamine, L-glutamine, Glutamic Acid, and Glutamine Peptides?


Glutamine is the amino acid in its free-form, which means it's in its whole food state, whenever you eat foods such as almonds and peanuts your ingesting glutamine amino acids. L-Glutamine is basically the same thing. Its glutamine in its free-form (whole food). The majority of supplement companies sell L-glutamine and tout it as the best form, which it is not.
Glutamic Acid is familiar if one turns over their container of protein powder and sees "glutamic acid". Why not glutamine instead of glutamic acid? "The reason is that the acid hydrolysis stage of the analysis converts the glutamine into glutamic acid, releasing ammonia. Thus the glutamic acid level actually represents the combined levels of glutamine and glutamic acid." (ref). One can figure out the amount of glutamine in the glutamic acid content fairly easy. In animal proteins such as whey, casein, milk, and egg proteins 50% is actually glutamine. In plant proteins such as soy, 80% is glutamine.

Glutamine Peptides in Layman's Terms
To understand the differences in glutamine peptides and regular glutamine, one must first obtain the knowledge of exactly what are peptides and how they are different from free form amino acids. Peptides are amino acids broken down into their smaller more digestible form using the hydrolyzation process. Only hydrolyzation can produce the smaller peptides, superior to free form amino acids and larger peptides currently found in your whey proteins that are produced NOT using the hydrolyzation method. The supplement companies make it sound difficult because there is a small amount of peptides that occur naturally, regularly commercially produced whole-protein supplements. Unfortunately, what the don't tell you is that these are the larger peptides with a high molecular weight, which is different from smaller di and tri peptides that are produced using the hydrolyzation method.
Several studies have shown that smaller peptides are better absorbed than larger peptides and regularly manufactured protein.
1. Amino acids from peptides are more readily absorbed than free-form amino acids, thus producing a greater insulin reaction.
2. Humans fed smaller peptides compared to whole-protein foods had a greater increase in amino acid levels.
3. Hydrolysated products produce greater pharmacological effects (increasing GH and insulin response).
4. OLIGOPEPTIDES are LARGER PEPTIDES, which are absorbed much SLOWER than small tri and di peptides. Supplement companies try to use the word "oligopeptides" to fool the customer with scientific mumbo-jumbo when they're actually stabbing themselves in the back!

Thus now our customers can see, why the Protein Factory choose Glutamine peptides instead of free-form L-Glutamine. You will get a better response with glutamine peptides when compared to L-Glutamine.

How to use a glutamine peptide supplement and incorporate it into your customized protein.
Our recommendation is to use the glutamine peptides at a serving of approximately 5 grams before and after your workout. Buy it separately and mix it in a blender with your regular protein shake. Remember, any protein processed through hydrolyzation tastes bitter, so it is difficult to take by itself. If you want to add it to your regular protein so you get approximately 5 extra grams of glutamine peptides, we would have to add 100 grams of glutamine per 340 grams of any protein you choose.
For example:
If you had 17 grams of protein and add 5 grams of glutamine to that it would give you 22 grams, so multiple 17 times 20 and that equals 340 grams. Add 100 grams of glutamine to that to equal 440 grams plus flavoring to total 1 pound. Thus one would be guaranteed to get 5 grams of glutamine peptide when taking a 22 gram serving size of powder
(taken from protienfactory).


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ThePitbull

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posted November 23, 2000 09:10 AM

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Great reply rainhorn.

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Twisted_Steel

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posted November 23, 2000 09:30 AM

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Good enough to warrent it being copy and pasted into my info archive

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Maverik

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posted November 23, 2000 01:17 PM

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Thanks for the informative reply, rainhorn. Just printed that out for my "archives".


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kato

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posted November 23, 2000 02:46 PM

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thanks bros. ive noticed also that some glutamine powders, have different texture then other brands such as Prolab vs. gnc, gnc is more floury and soft, while prolab it a little brighter and packable; maybe im just thinking too much, i dont know.

anyways thanks for the responses

peace


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