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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 149 |
Regarding the previous post about aids, Actually, since the HIV virus dies when outside the human body, how long can it stay alive in a bottle of oil? I was worried about using stuff made in underground labs because what if someone had aids had drop stuff in it. But then again I thought that since the virus can only survive in a host, that if left for a few weeks and filtered should be safe. Please let me know your thoughts and for those of you who know them, facts. Thanks.    | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 506 |
I am not sure on the life span of HIV in various environments, but I do know that it won't be filtered out with the filters that are used in the "kits". These use around a .45 micron filter, which is useful in filter sterilizing for bacteria, but it is not used for viral sterilization. Even some Mycobacteria are small enough to pass through this pore size. | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1644 |
dont worry about..youll never get...HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 289 |
It doesn't? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1061 |
Of course some might argue that a virus is not actually 'alive' in the sense that bacteria or other organisms are.... I am pretty sure that HIV causes AIDS...! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 423 |
Animal B , very progressive/radical stance your taking on that issue . Im undecided on that particular subject myself , but i agree that ther people who have HIV who never develop AIDS/ARC and there are people who have AIDS who show no HIV. Im of the opinion that HIV will cause AIDS , but that it isnt the only factor present , unknown (unidentified) retroviral factors work togther to cause AIDS. But to answer the question , HIV dies outside the body rapidly and is a far less virulent then say , Hepatitis. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 16 |
Asia it would be absolutely impossible for the HIV virus to survive outside it's ideal environment for more than a few moments. You have nothing to worry about in that regard. I would be more worried about other chemicals being mixed in, or contamination. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 148 |
Animal B...I remember you posting this on the AIDS discussion board a while back and nver got around to asking you about it...if you have anything you can email me send it along. [did you evr the stats I sent you, i know you couldnt open the Excel, but I resent in different format later] The new president of South Africa has come out on a number of occasions with similiar statements..controversial to say the least, it seems none of his critics ever look into the science of his claims,but instead view them simply as anti-western establishment statements. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 506 |
There is some controversy in this issue, but to state that there are those who have HIV and don't develop AIDS/ARC is not an argument. Typhoid Mary HAD Salmonella typhii, but she did not express the symptoms, she was a carrier. Also, we have discovered people who are resistant to HIV, which is expected, since it is evolutionarily non-beneficial to kill off all of your host...there is always a balance. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1644 |
checking | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1644 |
checking..okhere we go..HIV is nothing new..it is merely an old virus renamed,HLTV-3 In the the early 80s a retrovirologist discovered that people were dying of some unknow..well he thought virus..believe the doctores name was robert galllager MD retrovirologist,,the same idiot back in the 60s said canacer was caused by virus,,,in medicine,,if you cant find a cause,,it is a virus or all in your head...well the group of people that were dying and getting karposis sarcoma was the gay community as we know.. some bodies were examined post mortum and happened so they had anti bodies to hltv3..he concluded this is the cause of this myterious disease...he changed the name to HIV..Human immunodef virus because it sounds more dramatic..this was a scientist always looking for a virus to match a disease. What were these people dying of then..the same thing they were always dying of,pneumonia,TB..aliments which affect a weaking immune system..what was weaking their system 1) heavy drug use including popers(amyl nitrate) has been shown to be a direct link with KS..this explains why KS is never seen in africans with aids or herterosexual couples fact!!! The early 80s was the time gays were speaking out..coming out of the closet..they were coming public there lives and deaths...to make along story real short..what cause a weakened immune sys 1)drugs..recre , pharma..heavily use by the gay popula 2)little rest... 3) depression(being told you will die) 4)chemotherpy(azt) 5)radition 6)thinking you will die(being told your +) 7)poor diet(african reason) if I take anyone of you and told you ,you were hIV+ first you become depressed..then you would not eat then we put you on AZT..the drug that causes direct and immediate break down of the immune system..all side affects are what AIDS is..this was the drug experimented in the 60s to fight cancer but was pulled off the market,,,why..it caused lymphadenoma, granuleocytopenia..all what we know is AIDS today..then more drugs...then you die..like the MD said you were....In 1993 DR robert Willner from florida wanted to disprove the Hiv/AIDS theory...he injected himself 4x over 2 years with the blood of an AIDS patient..never developed AIDS but was barred by the AMA...I spoke with him in NY 2 months before he died of a heart attack..he was p�isened..but an autopsy was never done.. AIDS is the medical lie of the century...why...money folks...7 billion dollars a year industry..there is much more..but my fingers hurt...later..alot of info out there | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1315 |
I know more about aids now then I ever did. Great post Animal!!!!! LAter, Green | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 2217 |
Great response AnimalB | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 160 |
Asia, nice to see you back! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 961 |
Animal B, R U one of those guys that would go to his chiropractor to treat a brain tumor. I come from a medical background. HIV,AIDS, and all mutated viruses that cause immune deficiency are serious and real. They are not immagined and Lee Harvey Oswald did kill Kennedy. Your beliefs although, your own are dangerous to people that don't have the science background to make informed decisions on their own. People do not spend 4 years in college 4 more in medical school and 6-12 more training as a part of your great conspiracy. Although, Medicine and drug companies are indeed a business, they are not creating public misinformation and hysteria, they are trying to cure it. People in Africa are not dying of Starvation related aids. Yes they are poorly nurished, but they are also dying at an incredible rate from the Virologically document AIDS/HIV virus. Pull your head out of your accupuncturists bottom and come back to the mainstream. I do not wish this virus on anyone and if you have it is almost certainly a death sentance at best a long tormented demise. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 149 |
Ok so I don't know who to believe now. But JUST in case there is this aids thing, then Kodiak why not tell me how long it can last in a bottle of fina? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 330 |
Animal B...are you HIV positive? Just curious because it seems that you know a lot more than the average curious joe. ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 184 |
I have little faith in Animalb's rap on this. Note that babies born HIV positive die rapidly at a few years old in huge numbers. Babies born of HIV positive woman who take AZT are much less likely to be born HIV positive. These babies do not get aids. I seriously doubt that a 3 year old HIV positive corpse died from depression or recreational drug use. Little people are pretty much immune to mind pyches over their HIV status. Anyone who is HIV positive may take up Animalb's view as it allows them to live in denial. Hopefully they will be considerate enough of others to take steps to avoid spreading this dangerous virus. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 227 |
So I suppose that Animal is the Gospel now. All Hail Animal and his Wisdom? LOL. Yeah I suppose people don't die from gun shot wounds either, It is due to the loss of blood. not the bullet. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 87 |
Their is no right or wrong in science. There is only speculation and theory. Keeping an open mind is important so you must listen to all logical viewpoints before dismissing it as a crock of shit. BTW- As a former Medical Student, I can say that all they do is brainwash you for 4 years, then brainwash you some more until you are a closed-minded physician who makes fun of all alternative medicines...etc. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 329 |
Why is everyone so quick to jump on animal b's shit here. He just gave his point of view. You all need to chill out a bit maybe... | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1644 |
first off the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis,,is still a hypothesis,,,,it has still yet to be proven that HIV causes AIDS...as far as me being HIV + ,,,no I am not..why do I no so much about..well as a chiropractor and nutritionist,,,that is clinical nutritionist by the way,,big difference..I practiced in south beach Miami for 4 years..trating the people no body wanted to deal with..that was AIDS and HIV + people..all gay by the way...why did other chiros not want to treat them...because there was no money..only medicaid...all the patients I had..that neve fell in to the MD ways were fine,,the people that did seemed to die....medicine is a business,,weather you guys belive it or not..the job of the MD is to keep you sick by giving drugs that were never proved..operations that are not necessary..ect...these are not my views...there are the vieiws of the president of Berkely Med school california..he wrote a 600 page book "The Virus that never was...lost all his grants because he spoke out....1 question for the idiot with medical experince...How could you say someone has a disease if they present with antibodies...this shows Immune defense..now your going to give retrovir...which was prove to break down the immune system..I voted for Gore..I like our environment...for the med student or what ever..explain to me popper use and the association with KS...when poppers became illegal in massac...the KS rate droped over 700 %...published study..david Ho..Time man of the year..world famour AIDS reseacher..had the chance to talk to him about his proteases inhibitors,, I asked,,if a protease inhibitor blocks protease production,,how will we be able to digest our protiens and use the amino acids..the body would have to take amino acids from the muscle and brain CAUSING WASTING AND DEMETIA,,part of AIDS symptoms ...he said great question but we havent use3d them that long to determin that to be fact....ok...I asked what was his nutritional view and the treatment of AIDS..he said,,I know nothing of nutrition but if you believe it will help use it..and this is TIMEs MAN of the year... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
animal B, there is no berkeley school of medicine and if you remember your biochem, protease is not the only enzyme that cleave peptide bonds. your theories are interesting and i would like to read that article or report from this researcher. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 229 |
This was one of my major worries with injections...I have done extensive research and came to the conclusion that it is impossible to get HIV from a ampoule. If that was the case you could get it like a cold...The cold virus can survive long periods of time outside the body and in the air. The HIV can only survive internally...for more info email me... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 289 |
Anyone know whatever happened to Magic Johnson. I heard that MOFO is HIV negative now!! Supposedly the virus is not showing up in his system. |
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posted November 22, 2000 06:11 PM