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 (Matt) steroids for six to eight months?
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Novice 
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Got a buddy in my squad (SeAL) hes on 750mg/w sust and 50-100mg/d winny. this was his first cycle. he uses arimidex .5mg/d, clomid 100mg/d three weeks on three off.as well as 2 gallons water a day and liv-52.pro scar 2.5mg eod. he is the badest 60 gunner on the planet, hands down. he humps 3000rds of 5.56 problem is: he plans on staying on until need to know side effects im just lookin out for his health thank you    | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 604 |
The sides are easy to predict. Clomid at that dosage for 3months outs of 6 and the winny eod will surely push his liver to the max. Clomid is fairly toxic and should be used very little. I'd say doing this cycle for 6 months will probably be equal to drinking a 1/5 of wiskey a day but hell go for it. I won't down anyone's cycle as long as they gain and live to prove it.  | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 32 |
why clomid and arm at same time. I would have arm alone since it is superior. and an active SEAL @ 190 on that dose, !? I woudl rather save my penny and do anavar/winny to be hard as a rock and strong as a bull. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 62 |
look did you see that post about dorians cycle, Im not sayin its okay, but you should give him some good sound advice and say look, after 3months of test use and winstrol use, the effects are gonna be minimal due to saturation, tell him to switch to a maintenance drug like deca, stay at a good peak level like 400mgs a week, all pros stay on deca year round, I heard one time paul demayo take 300 mgs of deca a week for year round for maintenance, anyway tell him to take deca and primobolan for 1.5 months, then switch to equipoise and test for 1.5 months, because taking sustanon and winny for 6 months straight isnt smart, his receptors will be full after 2 months, its like a cocaine user, if he snorts everyday for 3 weeks straight, after about the second week he is just snorting to calm the shakes, tell him to switch to deca and primobolan after 3 months, this will be a maintenance time, to rest him from the heavy test and winstrol use. | ||
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Novice
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he will die from liver failure, ask him if he is taking milk thistle he WILL need it. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 8 |
he's 190 right now. he just started his cycle a few weeks ago. so the liv-52 will not help his liver? the winny is cycled off 6 months on 4 off he and i are both on it at(me 25-50mg/d--him 100/d).just about every SeAL i know thats in turkey right now is on winny. he started to juice because of the massive so liver sress is the only sides? im figuring he will be a consistant 215 hes eatin those 4500cal MRE's | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 77 |
Hey Enslow, are you in training right now or you already a full blown seal? I'm asking because a friend of mine is in San Diego right now, last I heard he got through everything without ringing the bell. I'd like to enquire about him since I haven't heard from him in months. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 8 |
Yeah i am, has he finished 1st 2nd and 3rd phase? HOO-YA [email protected] | ||
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Novice
Posts: 8 |
BUMP | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 77 |
I know he's definitely past hell week, you may have already had him, I'll email you. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 769 |
Getting back to the 6-8 month thing. I think he will be fine. I haven't seen many posts on how ong people really stay on, but suffice it to say that I have seen years go by without quite a few friends not coming off. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 514 |
Its not that big of a deal. He should cycle the winstrol in shorter bursts, and/or consider adding something else for while he isnt using the winstrol if he feels the sustanon isnt enough alone (it will be). Ive done this, and my friend does it all the time. Hes been on 750mg of sustanon since January of this year (2000). Id say forget the clomid altogether, this is the time when I feel HCG is actually warranted. If his balls apperance is his concern, just use HCG periodically to bring them back, but the clomid is a mistake! Not just for its toxicity, but because long term clomid use can cause a kind of negative feedback loop and defeat the whole purpose of using it. But 6 months of Winny is extremely stupid, and is the kind of behavior that gives all of us who use AAS intelligantly a bad reputation (no offense to him). But the time thing isnt a big isue if he'll take his liver into consideration and back off of the 17-aa stuff periodically. I know the current "in thing" among the pros is to come out and say "Yeah, I use drugs, but not much and I only do small cycles, not like some of the OTHER guys!" But thats a bunch of fucking bullshit... using Lee Priest as an example (dont get me wrong, Im a huge fan of the guy!). There is no way in hell a fucking 5' 4" man with even top notch god given genetic gifts can keep that kind of mass. Think about it! Shorter than average and taller than average people are not the types to carry loads of muscle. How many 7 footers do you see with heavily muscled bodies??? The same goes with real short people. Sure, you can build a hell of a lot of mucle still, but your body will maintain a set point, and to be 5 foot and change and have the musculature of a guy better than a half a foot taller than you??? I dunno... hmmm, what was my point? Oh yeah! More people (pros included) stay on for long periods of time than would like to admit it. Your friend will be fine if he plays it with caution.  (uhhgg, too much typing, I need to lay down...)------------------ | ||
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Moderator 
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I don't know why you guys are getting all worked up over this, it's not really that big a deal, he should start taking more liver helpers though. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 514 |
Thank you E2. Everyone seems to get so hung up with traditional cycles and cant see the fucking forest for the trees... Louie Simmons said he has been on continuously for 19 years. The man is healthy, strong, and BIG! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 936 |
I don't think he'll have any problems. As Monster said, I would recommend shorter phases for the winny, perhaps 6 weeks on, 3 or 4 off. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 224 |
Be careful with long use with winny. 17aa drugs start being of real concern whith long term use. Long term use as in therapy for blood disorders is what causes the liver dysfunction and carcinomas and adenomas you see with 17aa's. Short term has shown no real liver problems (id stick to only 1 oral for at most 8 weeks). | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1101 |
Test is fine but I would tell him to back off on the 17AA after 5 weeks. Perhaps 5on and 5off. ------------------ |
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posted November 22, 2000 03:49 AM
