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 Coming Off The Juice-ideas
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 168 |
Well i hate to say it but yes i am going to go off the juice for a bit. Whenever i have gone off in the past it is usually for no more than 4 weeks but this time I am going to extend it a bit as my body really needs to get back to normal. Just so you all know I usually use clenbuterol and nolvadex while off and only lose a bit ( 10 lbs ) mostly water, but since i am going to stay off for a few more weeks probably a total of 12 I was wondering if anyone had some ideas for anti-catabolics, i have not used cytadren yet but am seriously thinking about it. The clenbuterol has always worked well for me when i have used it before with just nolvadex. Ok just so we keep it focused i don;t need advice on diet, or training as i already know what works for me and am not willing to change in those areas. So i want you guys to give specific ideas as it relates to compounds only...
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
One more thing, I have also found that insulin helps a great deal in anticatabolic defense. I acutally used insulin the first time just to counter act the metabolic lag of coming off the juice. I was very pleased with the results. so as for anti-catabolics here are some i know and have used off the top of my head: clenbuterol cytadren( not used yet) ok thats it for now any ideas would be great tank | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
BUMP | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
BUMP again shit dont everyone jump in at once!! | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 4624 |
Why not use non-inhibitory substances,such as oxandrolone or primobolan?They will allow your system to restore homeostasis while staying in a state of positive nitrogen retention.... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
Huck, thats an idea but this time around i need a break from all anabolics, But believe you me i have considered it.. tank | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4624 |
Are you doing this as receptor attenuation therapy,or from an endocrine system standpoint? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
WEll mostly from an endocrine stampoint. I have been on the juice this time around for almost 3 years non-stop and i really need a break. As for the whole receptor theory, more . I do think that a 3 month lay off will help when i do jump back on the juice. I have not as of yet gone off i am thinking of this for the next month or so but i need and appreciate the fresh ideas.. tank | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4624 |
Have you ever considered PGF2a?If you could handle the pain,it would certainly be an advantagous addition while "cleaning out". | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 636 |
I know this is taboo, but an otc product called Methoxygen by vpx sports, worked great for me. I used it after a 12 week sus only cycle. Its expensive, but works. 1 240cc bottle lasts about 4 weeks and it runs $110. I acually only lost 8 lbs, which was water and by week 4 my max bench actually went up from where I left off. I was overwhelmed, it was the first otc supplement that did anything drastic like that. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
huck, no havent considered it, as for pain i dont care shit i have done so many winstrol shots in my calves i can almost take anything.. exactly how anti-catabolic woudl PGF2 be. I have read conflicting studies about its use with and with out Anabolic compounds. tank | ||
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Guru
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It is more anabolic,rather than anti-catabolic,but this is achieved with ZERO adverse effects on the endocrine system.And a little known aspect of PGF2a is that it actually SENSITIZES the androgen receptors,priming them for more efficient uptake of androgens when you re-introduce them back in to your system.... [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited November 22, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
Intersting i might need to consider this...hmmm now i know PGF2 is a vet only drug as of now. correct...? tank | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4624 |
Yes... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 164 |
Love the Insulin..I am using it now..just please be careful. I have had some close calls and I have done tons of research and Q&A. I consider myself very conservative with its usage and I still have had some bad reactions that scared me. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
Jay, My insulin usage is on the conservative side i take between 4-8 iu's 3 x per day, I find for myself that insulin is the one compound where more is not better for myself. I have never gone above 10iu in a single dosage and really have no need to as my body reacts very well with it. tank | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
bump | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 536 |
one of the best anti-catabolics that i know of called orematen (ihope i spelled it right cause i dont no the name of it in english). it works very good as obtaining muscale. also,you can do gh,other mecahnizem workes so your androcran system could restord. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
yet another good idea keep em coming | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
bump | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 17 |
Even creatine helps a bit for me.
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 310 |
Insulin with 10-15g of creatine after each injection helps a lot. But I guess you know that. B True | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
no i don't know it all but yes on the insulin as i will probably use a little while i am off.
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1212 |
I'm sure you thought of this but take a hearty dosage of EC plus 5 grams of tyrosine before your workouts along with some type of painkiller. I'm still juice free but this really helps me train with max intensity everytime. Also, methoxyisoflavone, the stuff in Methoxygen is a fairly decent anabolic as far as supplements go. Creatine is better... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
O well here is what i am going to do . I will keep you guys posted on how things go. For now I am going to finish off my last low period cycle and then go off for 12 weeks. During this 12 weeks i will begin somewhat experimenting with different things. I am not to to worried about losing mass because even when I was 100 % natural and did my first show it took me weeks to get down past 180 so i know that my body naturally holds on to mass very well juice or no juice. I am going to begin the clenbuterol as i always have in the past and will run the clenbuterol for the entire 12 weeks of the off period. the dosage will be 200 mcg per day for 5 days on and 2 off. Next will begin HCG intake at 2500 iu every 7 days for 4 weeks. Nolvadex will be at 10 mg per day for the entire 12 weeks. I wil also begin the insulin as planned at 4 iu 3 x per day. As for the PGF2 i might seriously look into this matter and see how it works. I have also decided that sometime during this enitre OFF perio i wwill experiment with the cytraden as i have no problems with getting it. any mroe thoughts or ideas till then tank | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
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Cool Novice
Posts: 29 |
How about a combination of high doses of tribulus, epriflavone, glutamine and chrysin. Also insulin, and low fortnightly doses of growth hormone. Cycle clebuterol and ephedrine, two weeks each. Up your calories so that you don't loose weight. If you can afford it take 100mg 7-keto DHEA a day. I don't know how effective the 7-keto is but I thought I might add this in next time I end a cycle. |
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posted November 22, 2000 12:31 AM