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 A COUPLE QUESTIONS - FIRST CYCLE, DECISIONS....
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1222 |
To give some background info first, I'm currently 18, almost 19, I weigh 190 at 6' tall, probably 9%bf. By the time I do this cycle I'll have been training for about 3 years, 1 1/2 seriously, and when I say serious, I mean give-up-your-whole-life-for-this type serious. Last year at this time I weighed around 153 lbs. I'm an ectomorph with a bit of mesomorph. I have also suffered a back injury which has Anyway, I wanted to show that I'm not some dipshit who has put no time or effort into this and decided he was ready for a cycle. Guess I'd better get to the point before people get bored and stop reading. Here it is: I'm planning to do a Sust-250 cycle @ 500mg/week, for 8 weeks. Clomid and Nolva will be included obviously. My problem is, I can't decide on whether to do a Sust/d-bol, Sust/nor-200, or a Sust-ref-b.
SUST-DBOL: I can only get 100 d-bol. Anyway I cut it I don't think that's an option, unless I do less than 3 weeks worth, but thats still only 25mg/day. SUST-DECA: I can only get vet deca, nor-200, which the majority of testimonials said is underdosed. Also, I could only afford one *10ml* bottle, meaning to run it the whole way thru I could only use 250mg/week. SUST-REF-B: I would only need 1 50ml bottle of this, and I could do 35mg/day for the 5 weeks, or 40mg/day to start, with a taper in the last 2 weeks, etc... <Hopefully my math is right, I'm a bit tired> I'm looking for 20 solid lbs. I planned a diet out that will allow me to consume 6000 calories/day, w/ 3g. protein/lb of bodyweight. I feel if I do nothing but concentrate on this for 8 weeks, perfect diet, intense training, perfect sleep, then I can hopefully keep 20lbs.
[This message has been edited by Frackal (edited November 22, 2000).]     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1093 |
I would go with the Ref b/sust cycle.A buddy of mine is on a cycle of ref b right now & is making great gains. ------------------ BROS BEFORE HO'S | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 636 |
Please go with the sus/nor. This is your first cycle and you will react great to 250mg of deca. Use the nolva and clomid. Use the nolva for 2 weeks past your last shot while on the clomid, this will help with the flood of estrogen at the end to be minimized | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1222 |
I was thinking the same thing lawnsaver. Do you think I need to start the deca at the same time as the sust though? Or would it be better to start it later, and run it past the time of my last injection of sust? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1222 |
bump | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 288 |
I agree with Lawnsaver 250mgs for a first cycle. You should notice some good improvements. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1222 |
Would there be any advantage to running the deca past my last shot of sust? Like this: Sust - Deca Clomid EOD throughout, Start nolva at week 8... Would it be better to do this, or just run the deca from week one to week eight along with the sust?? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 735 |
If I misunderstood then excuse me. But if you have back problems and you are getting ready for a mass/strength cycle, you are going to get hurt real bad. You will be bigger and stronger at a rate that your body has never seen, then you throw in an injury.... I would wait until your back was 100%, then I would do it. I know guys that screwed up their backs and it can be an injury for life. While the steroid size etc..is only temporary. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 718 |
What am I missing here? Nor200 is 200mg/ml right? A 50 ml bottle would be 10,000 mg total then right? That would be enough to do well over 250 mg/wk for a 8-12 wk cycle. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 581 |
I must be missing something too. You have 10,000mg of deca. You could run a gram a week for ten weeks with that(just an example, don't do it). Go with 400 a week for ten weeks. You will still have plenty left over for a later growth fest. ------------------ | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 2219 |
FRACKAL... THE NOR 200 IS UNDERDOSED... ACCORDING TO WHO? THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, THATS WHO.. AND HOW MANY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD ANY OF THEIR SHIT TESTED? NONE.. DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE.. MAYBE ITS UNDERDOSED, MAYBE ITS 180MG/ML, BIG DEAL... BUT THAT 50ML BOTTLE WILL LAST A LONG ASS TIME, I DONT SEE HOW YOU GOT YOUR MATH AT ALL. 250MG PER WEEK IS ONLY 1.25CC A WEEK... THATS ALMOST A YEARS STRAIGHT WORTH OF NOR200... GET THE NOR200, I USE IT, I LIKE IT. SO YOU USE 500MG OF SUST AND SAY 300 NOR PER WEEK.. (1.5CC WEEK OF NOR WILL LAST YOU A FEW CYCLES). YOU WILL GAIN... NOT AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD ON REFORVIT OR ANOTHER DBOL, BUT SAFER AND MORE QUALITY... CLOMID AT THE END AND YOU BE ALRIGHT... HELL, YOU MAY EVEN GET LAID BY THAT CHICK WITH THE MOTORCYCLE GUY... FINALLY | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 718 |
IMHO -- I think you're too young to juice though. (not a flame) I'd start with a moderate cycle. Say 400 - 500 mg/test/wk stacked w/ 300 mg deca wk/ clomid eod throughout ed for three weeks post cycle. You could add in the 100 dbols for a 2-week kickstart at 35 mg/day. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 718 |
Shit, you could buy 1 10ml bottle of Noran300 for much less and have enough for a cycle -- plus, probably have a better quality deca. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1222 |
SORRY. I JUST READ OVER WHAT I TYPED. CORRECTION: I CAN AFFORD A *10*ml BOTTLE... About the back problem. I won't be starting this cycle for at least 2 months. My back is getting closed to being healed, and I'm starting some physical therapy on Tuesday. I won't start my cycle until I'm fully healed of course... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
Bro, the sus looks good, if i were you i would save some money or get some more money to do the sus\deca\ref B combo if at all possible. If not, do the sus deca combo, i would start them together, plus mixing the deca with the sus makes the shot much less painful. I was you age when i started juicing. I went from 195 to 230 and lost around 8 pounds after i went off. I got great gains and i did 500mg sus, 400 deca, 5 dball per day for first four weeks. Good luck bro, and keep the nolva on hand just in case!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 735 |
Good, I was worried for you bro... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 718 |
Try the Noran300 if you have access to it then... it's a little more, but not too much more... How much are you paying for your stuff? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 148 |
I'd say include the Deca simply from the standpoint that it will help with your back pain. Ideally I'd like to see you wait a little longer to let your backrecover and so you can save a few more dollars for the ref-b too. It's you're first so dont skimp and dont take any chances with your back, it will haunt you for the rest of your life if you dont allow it to heal properly. I can almost guarantee that you will re-injure back if you rush into this cycle, your are about to experience stregth increases like never before, thats means alot of additional stress on your body [ie back]. Be careful | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 299 |
Bro, one time I had only 100 dbol to jump start my cycle with. I did 25mgs/day for 2 weeks then 20mgs/day for 1 week.I got great results. I think since this is your first cycle you will get great results from it. The nor200 is good too. I have uaed it and liked it but nandralone makes my hair fall out. I would wait until I was a little older to cycle but you will do what you want. Anyhow, that's my 2 cents. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 75 |
I think everyone is confused when they say nor200 is underdosed, it's not, it's underfilled is what it is. there's been plenty of times when I know I should have gotten one more injection than I did. but it's good stuff. Frackel if your gonna wait 2 more months b4 you start I would try to get more gear. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1222 |
Yes Tronco, that was another reason why I was leaning toward the sust-deca. I will definitely let my back fully heal before I start. Like I said, it will be a MINIMUM of 2 months until I do, I just want to get everything and be prepared. BigTruck: I don't have access to the Noran...I'm paying 85 for the nor200. Also, when I'm estimating what I can afford, this is what I can afford *by the time I order*. My funds are very, very limited at the moment. If my back is not fully healed w/ approval from my physical therapist once I have all my gear, then I'll probably try to get the ref-b, or maybe some d-bol if that oppurtunity presents itself then. Also, what did you guys think about running the deca 4 weeks after the sust? Bad idea....? [This message has been edited by Frackal (edited November 22, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 75 |
if your gonna go ahead and do it how you set it out start deca at wk 3 and just run it 2 weeks past the sus. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 718 |
$85 is good for domestic. I don't see any problem with running the deca past the sust. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1222 |
bump | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 227 |
i don't know shit about gear...but i do know that 3g of protein per pound of bodyweight is too much, even on gear. drop it down to about 2g per pound and you will do fine, and you will have more money to put towards your cycle. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1222 |
anyone else? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 105 |
Frackal, listen bro if money is an issue try sust, ref-b and some eq if you can get it. The eq is cheaper (ganabol) and you will need the help in the appetite department if you are gonna eat 6000 calories a day. Deca or EQ run longer than your test will help solidify your gains and make them "yours". Mike ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1222 |
Unfortunately I can't get Equipoise yet, my source said his list is going to be expanding soon, so who knows, but I'm just planning with what I have now. I'm not sure if I need to stack 3 AS' for my first cycle though... I figured the deca and sust would be sufficient.. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 177 |
If money is an issue, use t-200 enthanate instead of sust. Half the price for what amounts to the same thing. | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1624 |
do the sos/omna and refor..then if you have money and ganabol(EQ) is avaiable add this in the 5th week at 400mg/week |
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posted November 21, 2000 10:32 PM
