By no way is this a slam to anyone who is a loyal abomb dropper, if you have been able to control the sides then great. I only wish to shed light on some important view points. I am a die hard strength athlete, I did div 1 collegiate track & field, then powerlifting and now my latest aspiration has been strongman. There is master who guides me to the strength, speed and athletisism I desire. His name is Lou Simmon's, a world renowned strength coach, the godfather of speed and strength. I have learned much from him, as he has helped thousands. He has consulted with and influenced several NCAA, NBA, NFL teams and he has the strongest gym in the world (Westside Barbell). He's also an authority on AS, very few people could claim to have more first hand experience than Lou. Here's an interview from testosterone magazine:

NM: What is your stance on the use of steroids?

LS: The dangers are way overrated. It's corticoid steroids that they inject football players with every day that will kill you! Personally, I've done anabolic steroids straight for the last 28 years.

NM: Do you cycle?

LS: No, I stay on. I don't believe in periodization in training, either. I use mostly anabolics like Equipoise and Laurabolin until it's time for a competition, and then I do the harder androgens. I do not take Anadrol. I've never had any problems. I know guys who take much more than I do, to the point where you can call it abuse, and they don't seem to have any problems, either. There's no possible way I can train the way I do without taking anabolics, but the same techniques of training apply even if you're natural.

Let's learn from someone who has been on for 28 years and is still healthy, along with a 920 squat and 600 bench press at 52 years young and 242 lbs. Lou has watched many athletes get fucked up by anadrol, he made a point to stay away from it because he knew he was in this for the long run. Lou is now at 52 years old, still breaking new ground and strength records. Lou made my mind up for me.

liver cancer
massive bloat
gyno out the ass
gains go away

I have 3 freinds that use a-bombs and love em, them keep most of their gains too. Too many people down a-bombs.

In aids research they were giving aids patients 150mg+ a day for 6 month's straight with barely any liver problems, there is a page with this info somewhere.

My cycle is gonna be 12 weeks
1G sust a week
400mg deca
100mg anadrol day for first 4 weeks
Then maybe d-bol 2 weeks folowing the anadrol to help taper.

The moral of the story? There aint one. I just dont like those fuckers anymore. If I didnt have acne then I would not hesitate to use them. Also water gain but it wasnt that much. Dropped 5lbs when I stopped them, but continued with testoviron @ 500mg/wk.

Strength was amazing. Benched 160kgs for 2

German Steroid Study Success
by Michael Mooney (from Issue No. 3, May 1996)

A new study shows that one of the most powerful oral anabolic steroids improves lean muscle mass with
no significant side-effects in HIV-positive men and women. (1) Oxymetholone, formerly sold in the US as
Anadrol-50, was given for thirty weeks at a 150 mg/daily dose. Weight gain averaged 14.5% of
bodyweight, which is significant because there was no exercise program instituted, but it is known that
anabolic steroids exert their greatest effect when weightlifting is employed. Notably, even the subset of
patients burdened with AIDS-related infections continued to gain weight on oxymetholone.

While oxymetholone is considered to be a harsh steroid with a high potential for side-effects, the subjects
were reported to have no significant problems with liver function, water retention, virilization, and several
side-effects thought to be associated with its use, at a dose that is three times what many bodybuilders
would use, for considerably longer than they would generally use it.

The study didn�t look at CD8+ T cell counts, which appear to be more correlative with survival than
CD4+ T cells,(2) which were not correlative with weight gain in this study.

1. Oxymetholone promotes weight gain in patients with advanced human immunodeficienty virus (HIV-1)
infection. Hengge, et al. Brit J Nutri (1996) 75:129-138]

2. CD8+ lymphocyte counts and the risk of death in advanced HIV infection. Schlumpberger JM, et al. J
Family Practice (1994) 38(1):33-38.

Anadrol Update - July, 1999

Anadrol has been on the market for over one and one half years now, and we have been surprised that we
have not had even one report of elevated liver enzymes from HIV(+) men who call our hotline. We have
had males who have had some side effects, including primarily water retention and acne, but we have also
had males who have had no problems, only glowing praise that Anadrol was the only steroid that helped
them gain weight after severe weight loss, and it was the only steroid besides testosterone that improved
their libido and energy. (August, 1999: We now have one report of a negative effect on the liver that
appears to have been caused by an interaction with specific AIDS medications. To see the details, go to
the article on Oxandrin.)

Doses
Reported doses used have varied from 25 mg per day to 150 mg per day, and as with almost all drugs,
side effects are dose related, so a lower dose has less potential for side effects. While the most commonly
prescribed dosage is 100 mg per day, Anadrol is a powerful anabolic steroid and a 25 mg daily dose will
still elicit a significant effect on muscle growth while having much less potential to cause problems than
higher doses, so if you choose to employ Anadrol, work with your doctor to find the lowest dose that gets
the desired effect. As with any oral steroid, dividing the daily dose and taking it several times per day will
produce the best overall effect with less chance of side effects. Anadrol comes in 50 mg tablets and they
are scored so they can be split in two, but some people split them in fourths and take as little as 1/4 tablet
twice per day.

Comparison To Oxandrin
In comparison, while we haven't had a lot of males report side effects with the standard 20 mg daily dose
of Oxandrin, the other oral steroid that is commonly used in HIV, we have had a few reports of water
retention, irritability and acne. Perhaps more important, we have had many reports from HIV(+) people
and doctors that Oxandrin can cause elevations of SGOT and SGPT, which may indicate liver problems.

Data from a multi-site dose-ranging study of Oxandrin presented by Dr. Carl Grunfeld at the Geneva
AIDS Conference stated that Oxandrin caused elevations of SGOT and SGPT when used in 40 and 80
mg doses. It has been suggested that Oxandrin may interact with the 3A4 P450 enzyme system that
metabolizes protease inhibitors while this does not appear to be the case with Anadrol.(1) In comparison,
Anadrol did not cause elevations of these enzymes in the Hengge study at a daily dose of 150 mg.(2) It
may be that Oxandrin has more potential for liver toxicity than Anadrol when a person is using protease
inhibitors.

The Grunfeld study looked at 40 and 80 mg doses of Oxandrin because the standard 20 mg dose appears
to be too low to be effective for some HIV(+) men. While some studies have shown good muscle growth
with 20 mg per day, this low dose was shown in a study by Salvato to produce little if any muscle muscle
growth(1), and we wonder if at comparable milligram doses Anadrol may be a stronger anabolic agent.

Oxandrin produces more muscle growth when it is used in combination with testosterone, and Oxandrin
used without testosterone can lower libido, while Anadrol is more androgenic and does not appear to
require testosterone for anabolic effects and healthy libido. We suggest that for people who are more
prone to side effects, it might be better to use Anadrol alone rather than with testosterone as both are
strong androgens so there is more potential for androgenic side effects when they are combined.

References:
1. Thacker DL, et al. Metabolism of an anabolic androgenic steroid, oxymetholone by human
cytrochrome p450s. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics. 1999;65(2): Abstract number 75.
2. Hengge, UR, et al. Oxymetholone promotes weight gain in patients with advanced human
immunodeficiency virus infection. Brit J Nutr (1996) 75:129-138.
3. Salvato, P, et al. Conference on Nutrition and HIV Infection Cannes, France (1997) April 23-24;
Abstract No. 0-003.