On that date i will start my bulking phase. I've been bodybuilding for a short period of time and i make quick gains, I will be suplementing Creatine, Glutamine and Protein.

It's a race for pounds, after 8 weeks we'll weight in and see who gained more. This will be great for me and any contestants, cuz it will keep me motivated to make better gains not to get beat by a juicer and it will keep YOU motivated cuz you don't want to be beaten by some jr natural RIGHT?

JUST BRING IT!

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

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Every morning in Africa, a gazelle wakes up. It realizes that it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be killed.
Every morning in Africa, a lion wakes up. It realizes that it must run faster than the slowest gazelle, or it will starve to death.

The moral?

I'll post my stats (including bodyfat) december first along with a picture.

I'd be happy to beat a juicer, especially a juicer newbie, i'll teach him the value of a good diet.

So whoever wants to be part of the contest EMAIL ME. so i know officially who i'm going to beat

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

of course if you start popping 12 d-bols a day with 1 gram of test a week and drop a-bombs, you'll rip me up. (you'll also have mean gyno)

but let's tak sensible cycle here. one that should be a 15-20 pound reward to the user.

I can manage that, I'll prove it to you.

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

I like the trash talk, but let's see what you got when you hit the gym.

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

and Ghost you have a good point, i will try to take a picture of me ON the scale, if that's possible.

and i won't talk bullshit, if i gain 1/2 a pound i'll say 1/2 a pound.

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

So, I know you can gain 15 pounds, 5 pounds LBM and a juicer can gain 35-40 lbs with 20 pounds of LBM.

Just curious.

But Lean Mass, with 2 lifters same stats, the Juicer will blow you away.

I am starting Dec 1st, My First Ever Cycle.

Deca/Sus. I would gladly accept your challenge.

5'9" 176lbs, 16%BF 24years

Currently.

If you want I will repost stats Dec 1st. And the picture thing can be done with newspapers.

Listen I'm not issuing this challenge because i think i'm some bodybuilding god and going to beat juicers into a pulp thanks to the almighty creatine, i'm just saying it would be great motivation for me to go up against a juicer and vice versa

and as for the case of LBM, the 15 pounds gained over that two month period WAS lean, well if not then i didn't notice any fat reserves forming.

Now i realize that creatine will give me some water retention, but I'M NATURAL, let me have that much

-and yeah, i'll do the newpapers thing-

IT'S ON.

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

And I realize your not trying to bash on us. I am finally giving into the AS Bug. I have once too many given up after not getting good gains after a certain point. Not this time.

Well that is if I can find the stuff I need before Dec 1st.

I got those posts on the chat training and diet boards, not this one.
the only reason i issued this friendly challenge is to kick some bros in the ass, the ones feeling a little down.. i'm not arrogant to anyone.

if this is going to piss ppl off i might as well drop it.

and AMP, you should participate, because i know i would kick your overly cocky ass.

As for the reason why i didn't post my stats, well my stats look ridiculous, but my bodyfat is also ridiculously low... i'll hold the stats till december 1st, just gimme time to get used to the idea.

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

Last time i verified my bodyfat i was 5'8", 151 pounds at 6% bodyfat, which looks ridiculous to you, but i've come a long way from 128 6 months ago.

now my bodyweight is lower, due to a lean diet experiment.

so there.

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

I had been lifting for about 6 months, but my program was half assed, and diet sucked. I got my diet straight, ate about 4000 calories (clean) per day in 6-8 small meals every two hours. Worked out hard, did all the major lifts, got lots of rest and bam....15+lb gain. People at work started joking with me about steroids, etc....

Then I got stuck at 175#. The first 10-20# is easy when you start training & eating right....

but the only person you're making look stupid is yourself.

I was being sarcastic with the whole creatine thing you dumb fuck, too slow to distinguish sarcasm? maybe you should stop training your muscles and read a book or something (if you can read)... I know creatine is shit, but it's all i got, cuz AS is not for me now.

And i will have my flinstones, thanks.

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

Dear Silvio,

Unfortunately after you hit 30, you will no longer be running on pure testosterone and be able to recoup from injury and training workout after workout. ERGO: that is why I got back on the gear. I simply couldn't get my ass to work, workout and back out of bed. It was a reasonable addition for me because it enabled me to continue and enjoy the life-style I choose. I was natural for a long time and made gains lost gains, but lets be reasonable. This bullshit floating on this thread about 15 to I think one dude gained 30 LBM in 3 months on creatine. Its starting to smell in here. The body grows at a very slow rate naturally. Even with increased protien and all the supplements you want to waste your hard earned dough on at GNC. The figures I've seen are in the range of 10-20 pounds maximum in a year, and don't forget the old maximum your body will grow, due to the fact that natural strength will eventually plateau. If you doubt this to be the truth you'll notice that every major sport and professional athelete (NOT GOLF, but who knows), is either on anabolics or GH. Point being. This may be fun but for all the young bro's, it is bullshit. The reason everyone in the olympics is getting nailed is simple, because if one guy or gal is using, than everyone has too. Otherwise you lose. . .good/bad, not for me to judge, it is however the truth.
Finally, Silvio, it doesn't take a gram of test and abombs, I guarantee, a mild low androgenic, reasonably anabolic mix will blow doors off you're androstenedione, creatine, myplex cocktails.
Lastly, You are correct in staying clean, AS are serious business and if you're comfortable with your results thus far continue clean. When the day comes that you feel inclined or want to experiment with them, make it an informed and doubtless decision. You can't go back. . .Peace.

I didn't make any allegations i was gonig to gain 50 pounds and blow away juicers. THIS IS JUST AN EXPERIEMENT, this way we can trully judge the benefits of both approach.

I'm just looking for a decent brother to make a little contest with.

And Recoome, we'll find out how gifted i am once this is over.

Littledog: why make a wager on it? so i can lose my money, one day when we're both on juice i'll blow you away and take your money, but natty vs juice? the odds are against me.

Tyler: arrogance it is.

Kodiak99: thank you for the positive critism.

Hugh Gellatts: you didn't make fun of me, thank you. And not Adam the retard is not part of my relatives.

Amp: sorry for the flame, put yourself in my shoes, i just issue a friendly challenge and ppl start talking shit like i'm boasting to be some god... If you are the lifter you say you are, then you have all the respect i can give, but you were 150 once... so cut me some slack, i'm not trying to piss anyone off.

that is all, for now.

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

Sorry to say bro but you stand no chance.

The weight I gain from water alone should demolish your gains.

YOU WILL GAIN more water weight than i will in my whole 8 weeks overall. I'm not looking for an opponent like that.

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

My shows as a natural were against others who were not. I always did well but not well enough. I am also fortunate that I was able to get the best natural supplements plus have a training and diet "coach" as competing was very important to me.

I worked my ass of in the gym Always have always will. I've always been someone folks would want to look like and that has been approached for advise.

Now this past year I competed in another NPC show but juiced. Let me first say I was the second lighest person in my class of 15. Let me also say that my class was filled with drugged and natural. The guy who bearly beat me had almost 25 pounds on me. I creamed everyone else because of muscle mass and cuts that natural bodybuilding never afforded me.

yes you can do great natural. Many have. But if you train with every natural supplemnet there is and the person next to you takes even a small amount of roids trains with you the results will not be the same. drug assisted will make gains twice as fast and thats a fact that i have proved to myself.

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Check out my HardCore Pic sitehttp://www.dell.homestead.com/conan/index.html

All this bashing was taking a toll on me, but now I'm more motivated than ever thanks to you.

yeah

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

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YOU CANNOT IGNORE GENIUS.

IT IS FORTUNATE FOR THOSE IN POWER,THAT MEN DO NOT THINK.-ADOLF HITLER

So i'll make my gains naturally until then.

And Steel Beast, great idea... but what does George Spellwin think of it???

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"BITCH! You can't do this to me!" Silvio

Take a look at the pics posted by 2/3's of the contributors here. There average to below average physically. They run a cycle of androgens and in 8 weeks become adequate, whoopity doo.

Your playing the game well, bud. Keep the dieting and training first and foremost in your vocabulary, then when you do reach your "Set-point" your anabolic/androgenic introduction will be phenomenal.