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 Progest sensitive, what to use?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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I'm dying to start another cycle but I was wondering if you guys could give me a little help. I did a Deca only cycle and anything over about 300-350mg/week started to caused progesterone gyno. The cycle worked ok though. 8 weeks I gained 8-10 lbs of LBM. What would you guys suggest? I'm 6', 195lbs right now. I need to try and loose some BF too. I'm probably close to 20%. The biggest thing I'm afraid of is getting gyno! I think I perfer not to use test (especially heavy test) in my cycle, but I am open to suggestions. I'm not looking for a cycle layout, just what drugs you think I should be using? Eq? Winny? Thanks, Jay     | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 4573 |
50mg/day of winstrol will be of assistance to help combat progestogenic gyno from deca.I've seen cases where 25mg/day was effective,but to be safe,I'd stick with the higher end dose. [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited November 17, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 219 |
Thanks HUCK! When I was desperate (sore nipps) I was looking for some winny. But by the time I found some I had lowered the DECA dosage a little and the soreness stopped. I liked the way the deca worked but I hate the fact that Nolv won't stop the Gyno! Ahhhh! Anyone else? Cheers, Jay | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 81 |
i heard the only thing that really combats prog gyno is RU486 i heard winny is bullshit but i could be wrong | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 219 |
Yeah, I heard of the shit. Hard to get a hold of! And nobody has a clue about it for bodybuilding. Anyways, doesn't really matter because I probably won't use any progesterone simulating drugs in the future. And if I do it will be in LOW doses. Jay | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 453 |
Huck, When and where have you seen a case of this? I am still not convinced. Two previous cycles were very high test/dbol doses without any problems. I took your advice on my last cycle about the winny when my nipples started getting sore from Deca. I took 100mg/day for 40 days(80ccs) and I have marble sized nots under my nipples now. Oh forgot to mention, I started Clomid immediatly and am still on. Explain that! Explain that! | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4573 |
It has worked for me personally.I am highly progesterone sensitive.200mgs/week of deca aggrevates gyno in me almost instantly.I ran an experiment with deca at double that dosage(400mg/week)and as gyno symptoms appeared,I introduced 50mg/day of winstrol into my system and WALA!Cleared right up.I will never again use deca without winstrol concurrently.There has been a few bros on this board that have reported similar results as well.It may work for you,it may not,the only way to tell is to try it for yourself.AND SUPRAMAN,DROP YOUR RIDICULOUS ATTITUDE,"EXPLAIN THAT,EXPLAIN THAT".What am I,your employee?LOL... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 404 |
supra no-one made you do anything, different strokes for different folks, i think its dumb in itself to take alone anyway or at all for that fact unless your joints are hurting, but thats me--go figure. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 131 |
I have to back Huck on this..winnie is simply a preventative measure, it will hamper the devlopment of progesterone induced gyno, but that doesnt necessarily mean it will STOP it. We are have differnet sensitivites to these substances and there are few generalizations that can be made other than learn what applies to your own body. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 321 |
I have a stupid question....Don't birth control pills work by supressing a womans progesterone levels??? I think you know where I am going with this.. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1452 |
I said it before and I will say it again, no flame to you huck- Since when is winstrol a cure for prog. induced gyno? IF YOU ARE PRONE TO IT , DO NOT EXPECT TO USE DECA, ADD WINNY AND EVERY WILL BE FINE, YOU WILL BE SORRY. In persons a little less sensitive, it may aid in combatting it somewhat. ------------------
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 76 |
What works for some may not work for others...I'll agree to that. I started this cycle with deca/sus/winny taking arimidex as well. 2 weeks into injecting deca and gyno was coming on. Stopped deca straight away and kept going with the sus and winny, everything was o.k. I have to stick to things that don't convert. Hudson | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4573 |
It has never been labled a "cure"to my knowledge decaman,it is however,the ONLY substance that we currently have at our disposal that MAY be helpful.As stated above,it is an individuality basis.But I think it would be wise if unsure to your progestogenic sensitvities,to have some on hand just in case,rather than have nothing at all.It has seemed to work for certain individuals,and like I said,it's the ONLY DRUG that has been shown to possess anti-progestogenic capabilities,outside of RU486,which none of us on this entire board has access to.So no,it's not guaranteed to halt deca induced gyno,but at least it's worth experimenting with,if the problem arises...Just my .02... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1452 |
I was not disagreeing with you there, your post makes perfect sense. Too many of these newer guys need to understand it is not a gurantee. I would simply say not to use deca, if you are very sensitive to the side effect we are discussing, instead of adding winstrol. ------------------
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Guru
Posts: 4573 |
Decaman,actually saying NOT TO USE DECA?  heehee... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1452 |
Heh heh, sounds funny right. Hey man how is the realj's board doing? ------------------
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Guru
Posts: 4573 |
Good bro.He's actually going to be buying his own personal web space soon though,so no one can ever screw with his site again,hehheh... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 145 |
Damn, everyones now acting like 200mgs of deca is a gram of test suspension. Personally I feel a little safer from gyno with deca | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 219 |
Ok, no one has actually ansered my question yet...What is an alternitive drug/drugs to use? I know there are other steroids out there that simulate progesterone too. CHeers, | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 131 |
Jatvis to answer you question.. First off if youre sensitve to progesterone induced gyno avoid these drugs algether [as discussed above why take the chance]: deca, a-bombs, fina. So you want to lose bodyfat and add a little mass, - I suggest a moderate test cycle [500mg/wk] with some eq [300mg/wk] for 8 weeks in conjunction with a 5 week cycle of T3 [ramp up and ramp down ...see Lobo's post on the womens board for the specifics of T3. The test & eq are a great combo and will stave off any muscular atrophy while the T3 gobbles up the fat. But in all honesty I think you lower your fat by diet and alternative clen and ECA before beginning this cycle...it wouldnt be toohard for you to get to 13-14% over the next few months. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 453 |
Yes Huck did make me do it! I worship him! J/K........I jsut wanted to see how stirred up I could get everyone....oh well...lol! Bu no, it did not work for me and I hold Huck Responsible....lol! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 101 |
Good to see you again bro...hope the wedding went well. I see you're back into the swing of things now. About your question, try a moderate dosage of test (with Arimidex), say 500mg of Sust/week for 8 weeks. Then carry over with Primo into week 11 to improve your LBM. But to begin with, just stick it out with some cardio and ECA to drop your BF before you begin any of the vitamins. |
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posted November 17, 2000 10:39 AM