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KODIAK99

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posted November 16, 2000 08:34 PM

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Hey boys, as I stated early, no surgery on the old pec, just a slight tear in the muscle at the tendon junction not the tendon. So I am quickly formulating my next bulking cycle. Here's what I am thinking. . .(Denkadiol is Methandriol)

Wk -Sus 250 -Dbol -Denkadiol -Nalvo/clomid
1 -750mgs ------40 ------300mgs ------ 0
2 -750 ------35 ------300 ------ 0
3 -750 ------30 ------300 ------0
4 -750 ------25 ------300 ------1each eod
5 -750 ------0 ------300 ------1each eod
6 -750 ------0 ------300 ------1each eod
7 -750 ------0 ------300 ------1each eod
8 -750 ------0 ------300 ------1each eod
9 -0 ------0 ------0 -------1each eod
10 -0 ------0 ------0 -------1each eod
11 -0 ------0 ------0 -------1each ed
12 -0 ------0 ------0 -------1each ed
13 -300 mgs primobolan depot
14 -300 mgs
15 -300 mgs
16 -300 mgs
17 -300 mgs
18 -300 mgs
19 -300 mgs
20 -300 mgs
21 -300 mgs
(Shouldn't need ancillaries on 300 primo, but will have Nalvo and Clomid incase)

Well, what do you think bros. I am currently 6'1" weigh 235 with 12.5% body fat, I am going to lift light upper body due to my pec injury until the new year and than start this cycle. Any input or changes would be apppreciated. Also and other gear you would add or take out.
Thanks Bro's.


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KODIAK99

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posted November 16, 2000 09:18 PM

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Bump, come on bro's I help a lot of you out. . .


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liltank

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posted November 16, 2000 09:22 PM

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kodiak,

sounds good not sure if you get gyno but that water retention willactualyl help you to heal, i had a slight tear in my left shoulder and it actally healed while i used deca and test, i personally am a fan of wtaer rention because i think that it prevents so many injuries like the one you have had...

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KODIAK99

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posted November 16, 2000 09:29 PM

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Thanks tank, got to agree with the water retention concept does seem to help. My problem is I've always been stuck between loving the strength and training for pure size. I end up throwing on too much weight especially during cycles and now that I am older I am beginning to pay for it. I will not go too heavy, this time around. Instead I am going to train for the pump and stretch a hell of a lot more than I used too.


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ManOSteele

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posted November 16, 2000 09:34 PM

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Water Retention...Another term for it is "Cell Volumization". It is how nutrients, minerals, and vitamins are transferred to the muscles which means faster growth and strength increases. I know it isn't good for competition, but it is good for offseason. GoodLuck with the tear...I wish you a speedy recovery...


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ThePitbull

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posted November 16, 2000 10:01 PM

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Looks pretty good bro. I might run the test for another week or two, but that is just me.

My real advice though, is make sure you are good and healed before you start attacking those heavy weights. Ya don't want to injure it worse bro. Which I'm sure you know anyway.

Good luck!

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WCP

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posted November 17, 2000 04:32 AM

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I would up the dbol to 50mg right off the bat and not tapering.

I would also raise the primo to 400mg a week.

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KODIAK99

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posted November 17, 2000 10:08 AM

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WCP, thanks will do. . .That's why schedule these things a month or two in advance, incase I need to change the gear I'm using.


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E2

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posted November 17, 2000 05:01 PM

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Yup wcp is right, at least 400mg of primo, especially at your weight. Now i personally don't like primo all that much, it's expensive and weak, why not use eq instead?? You'll get much better gains and it's much cheaper, as well you won't supress your hpta at 400mg a week.

Other than that it looks good!

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KODIAK99

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posted November 17, 2000 07:38 PM

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Thanks E2, I am with ya, thing is I have 24 Primo Depot laying around that I already sunk too much dough in anyway. Otherwise, I agree with you 100%, primo is weak and too expensive and a pain in the ass literally because you have to take so fucking much of it. What do you think of the methandriol??


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E2

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posted November 17, 2000 09:31 PM

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I've personally never used it, but i've only heard good things about it.

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KODIAK99

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posted November 17, 2000 11:55 PM

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Here's the final update and thank you for your help and input bro's.

Wk -Sus 250 -Dbol -Denkadiol -Nalvo/clomid
1 -750mgs ---50------300mgs --- 0
2 -750 ------50------300 ------0
3 -750 ------50------300 -------0
4 -750 ------50------300 ------1each eod
5 -750 ------0 ------300 ------1each eod
6 -750 ------0 ------300 ------1each eod
7 -750 ------0 ------300 ------1each eod
8 -750 ------0 ------300 ------1each eod
9 -0 ------0 ------0 -------1each eod
10 -0 ------0 ------0 -------1each eod
11 -0 ------0 ------0 -------1each ed
12 -0 ------0 ------0 -------1each ed
13 -400 mgs primobolan depot
14 -400 mgs
15 -400 mgs
16 -400 mgs
17 -400 mgs
18 -400 mgs
19 -400 mgs
20 -400 mgs
21 -400 mgs


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baza

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posted November 18, 2000 03:10 AM

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I would say start the primo on week 4 and carry it on to 12 or whatever. But obviously you have your reasons.


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Krusher

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posted November 18, 2000 08:46 AM

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Nice cycle. I'd probably start the primo as soon as you start losing some size. Even though sust has life of about 4 weeks, I don't feel much 3-4 weeks after my last shot.


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conan69

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posted November 18, 2000 09:04 AM

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I see you made the update to the dbol dosages
that is what i was going to suggest. And here is a little suggestion, i always plan my cycle so that i always fill up the needle.
example
on your last few weeks
i would take E2 suggestion throw in some EQ
100mg/ml (little more expensive but worth it)
and shoot 200mgs of EQ and 100mg of primo 3 times a week MWF, nice way to finish up a cycle

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KODIAK99

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posted November 18, 2000 11:53 AM

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I'll have to look into finding some EQ, shouldn't be a problem. I have no problem with the EQ, but will not take Deca, under any circumstances. Personal opinion, but the last time I tried it, fucked me all up, couldn't keep a hard on for like 3 months. It would shoot up and fall back down. . .Clomid, HCG, nothing worked but time, therefore I'll never tempt those gods again. Thanks for your help, Esp. Conan and E2. . .I'll keep you posted with any future changes and of course results as soon as I begin.

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