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 I DID RESEARCH, MAYBE NOT ENOUGH, BUT TAKE A LOOK PLEASE....
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 58 |
Alright. I'm back again with a few more questions, hopefully this will be a bit more structured and I won't get flamed. I'm going to be doing a cycle of primo depot and d-bol. I'm looking for about 10-15 solid lbs. since this is my first cycle, and then I'll be doing a heavier one in the summer when I have much more free time. Here's what I have so far.....6 weeks long, I'm 5' 11 190lbs. 9%bf. Primo - D-Bol How does this look? Remember, I'm only expecting about 10-15 solid lbs. Calories will be 6000/day (I need about 4500 now just to maintain weight) I don't have enough money to throw in deca, nor do I have access to it at the moment, but if I should substitute something, here is a list of what I can get: Sten
Thanks for the help. [This message has been edited by BULLETIN BOARD BOB (edited November 16, 2000).]    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
If this makes any sense, I'd prefer to save sust or any other test for when I do the heavy cycle rather than this one... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 250 |
Iv'e got news for ya bub, 15 - 20 solid pounds is only going to come from a heavy cycle. Primo is not androgenic enough pack on solid POUNDS of muscle. If your money is limited go with t-200 , which is 200mg test enthanate, at about 600mg a week. Start off with the 600mg and the d-ball run it for how ever many weeks you plan to stay on and then taper off. Take the clomid every other day while on. Then the last week your on take 2 clo a day, the week after that 2 a day, and the week after that take 1 a day. Hope this helps......... ------------------  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
I realize that anibolism. I was thinking between 10-15 lbs. From my research this is the number I came up with. I'd prefer not to do t-200. I read it's dirty... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 655 |
NO FLAME, BUT THAT CYCLE LOOKS WEAK. THERE ARE USUALLY 2 KINDS OF CYCLE, BULKING AND CUTTING. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? BULK OR CUT? THIS IS WHAT I SUGGEST YOU DO, DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND GET SOME MORE GEAR LIKE DECA. I WOULD SAVE THE D-BOL FOR A MASS CYCLE. TAKE PRIMO AND STACK WITH DECA OR ANOTHER CUTTING DRUG. I DON'T BELIEVE D-BOL AND PRIMO IS A GOOD STACK EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW WHO USED IT. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 493 |
If I were you I would not ramp the dbol or taper off. Do the dbol at 30-40mg a day for 6-8 weeks. Do the primobolan at 300-400mg for at least 8 weeks. I don't know how much you weigh but I assume this is your first cycle. If you need 4500 calories a day just to maintain then you must be well over 250 lbs. You can increase the dbol and primo dosages if you like since I don't know how much it will take you to put on that much weight. It takes a hell of a lot more than what you posted for me to put on 20 lbs of MUSCLE in 6-8 weeks but you may be different. I don't do bulking cycles without test so I don't know what else to suggest. I think test is best and is much healthier than dbol so you might consider using primo and some test at like 400mg a week for 8-10 weeks. Later, | ||
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Moderator 
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Ok lets' talk seriously here, my last cycle i gained 20 lbs of solid muscle , now i was taking 1000mg of test a week, 6dbol/day 400mg deca a week for 10 weeks, then i went into 350mg winny and 600mg tren a week for another 8 weeks. Now that is solid muscle, i really put on over 40 lbs, and i then dropped the weight. You will never gain 15 lbs of solid muscle off that cycle, you'll barely gain 5. So, if all you want is to put on 15 lbs, then sure you may do that, but dont' delude youself into thinking that it's all muscle. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
Alright... I'm getting an overwhelming NO on this idea. Yeah, Arnold supposedly loved this stack so I figured it had to be fairly good. I know this is kind of a fucked up question to ask, but what would you suggest out of the following products I listed? I'm not asking anyone to figure a whole cycle out for me, just give me an idea of what would work well together.. [This message has been edited by BULLETIN BOARD BOB (edited November 16, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
Also, since it looks like some of you missed it, (not flaming) I am 5 11' 190 lbs. Ectomorph if there ever was one, and this would be my 1st cycle. That's why I thought I might be able to get 10-15 lbs... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 645 |
I like it bro, for a first cycle I dont see a problem with it. Start the dbol at 35-40mg at the beginning and taper at week 5-6. If you could afford to get a few more weeks of primo, do so. I believe you could possibly gain about 10lbs. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 549 |
Bro if you have to eat 4,500 calories to maintain a bodyweight of 190, you have some shitty ass genetics. I grow off 4-5,000 calories, and I have been up to almost 250 lbs. Fuck, the 300 lbs guys eat 6,000 per day. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 653 |
Your cycle is good for about 2-8lbs of muscle, your diet will determine how much weight you gain. You want muscle throw in some test with the primo and dbol. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
How about a middle ground? Skip the test until summer so you can guage your body's reaction (this sounds like what you want to do, right?) But, up these dosages a bit so that you can get closer to your 10-15 lb goal. Maybe something like this: ---Primo - Dbol - Clomid If your diet is on track, this should net 15 or so pounds... But lots will be water from the Dbol. Incidentally, I am also planning my first cycle... I'm lookin at Sust / EQ / Dbol though. After reading all the great debates between E2, 2thick, macro, etc., I decided to include test in my first at a moderate dosage (500 a week) Look up the thread "No Testosterone for Newbies" if you haven't already... Great info there. Hope this helps a little bro! Good luck! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
quote: True. But let me say that I have been training my ass off, I really have, with plenty of sleep and I haven't been gaining. I'm fucking sick of being natural anyway. Well, it looks like I won't get that 15 lbs. Off of this cycle, especially because I don't grow easily. I would be willing to do the sust, maybe at 300mg/week combined with either: Which 2 do you guys feel would work best? Once I know that, I'll research the hell out of them and be back in a few days with more questions. (sorry lol) Let's say I'd like to add 20 solid lbs. since I may as well if I'm going to use test... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 285 |
run the sus @500 for 8 weeks instead of the primo and you should get what you want | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 621 |
Alright, I just did my 6th cycle. I did 300mg of eq and 150mg of winny. Eq for 10 and winny for 8. I got 15lbs from it. I believe it mostly muscle. I just stoped, so I havent lost anything yet. Now this is your first and Primo is a great 1st cycle drug. I would do 400mg for 8 to 10 weeks with d-bol for 5 weeks at a constant dose and take them all 1 hr before your workout. Now alot of people will not agree with me, but I believe that the primo will wprk best if you have great workouts. The d-bol pre workout will give you take kick. The primo will build. It sounds like you have the diet, so all you need is dedication. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 639 |
You won't be able to do 300mgs a week of sust, it comes in 250mg/mL amps. I would go with 500mgs for 6-8 weeks, and the dbol at 40mgs/day, tapering down to week 5. If you eat right you should be able to get your 10-15 lbs. D. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1065 |
Twiggy is right, you do have a good basis for a first cycle, I would not encourage anyone to add test the very first cycle they use, you will get great gains off just the shock of AS in your virgin receptor sites. Do the primo and Dbol. Then next cycle you can add test. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
Thanks for the replies. I'm sure questions like this get pretty repetitive...
The more I look into it, the more sust sounds like the way to go. So I'd be taking 500mg/ every 10 days, correct? Should I taper the sust, or does it automatically taper after the last injection? (if that makes sense) If I take 500mg/10 days for 8 weeks (56 days) Day When would you recommend I start the clomid? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
bump | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
If you go for just a straight Sus cycle, I would include some kind of anti-estrogen throughout to guard against gyno. You probably won't get it from 500mg every 10 days, but you can't really be sure as to how prone you are since it'll be your first cycle. Option A: Use clomid at 50 eod or e3rd throughout your cycle... Have Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno symptoms. Run Clomid for 2 weeks post cycle at 100ed, then 50ed. Option B (better): Find some Arimidex and run it at 1/4 to 1/2 mg eod throughout. Clomid post-cycle same as above. Not sure about the Winny... Others will be able to give you a better answer. |
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posted November 16, 2000 07:08 PM
