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Mudworx

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posted November 14, 2000 12:17 PM

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I have been using Norma Hellas Deca for years and have always found it to be an excellent quality product.

However, the last batch that I bought are all underdosed by about 0.25ml!

There are also lots of small differences: The printing on the box and label is slightly smaller, the blue color of box and label is marginally lighter, the oil has a stronger yellow color and the lot no.'s and exp. date on the box are imprinted and not stamped in ink... otherwise they look good.

The lot number of this batch is 12068 exp. date 9/02.

Any ideas whether this stuff is legit or just an excellent fake?

Peace...
Mud


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ThePitbull

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posted November 14, 2000 12:47 PM

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Don't know, but I will bump it for ya!

Sounds suspicious??????

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Mudworx

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posted November 14, 2000 01:15 PM

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Bump this for the mods and vets... please help.


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KooL-AiD

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posted November 14, 2000 02:51 PM

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According to the database here. All legit AS is stamped lot number and expiry. If it is printed in same manner as label it is fake.


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skg

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posted November 14, 2000 03:15 PM

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Hey bro I got a couple from a pharmacy in Greece, and I think they were a little underdosed. not .25 ml . lets say .10. And those were 100% legit.

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baza

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posted November 14, 2000 03:15 PM

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I had those same ones, I posted about it awhile ago. I didn't like the way they looked, so I sold them.


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Mudworx

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posted November 15, 2000 04:04 AM

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Thanks for the replies.

The stamps look good... there are 2 different stamps, one on the box and the other on the vial, both done in a different process. There are NO other tell-tale signs of a fake except that they are underdosed.

Anyone have the same lot numbers???


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ironmaster

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posted November 15, 2000 04:25 AM

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Wait a minute, didn't you say that the lot and expiry date were imprinted on the bottle label, not stamped? I have only seen normas with that info stamped, and it is said that the ones printed were bogus. E2 says that it is not uncommon for legit normas to be underfilled ( which is what I assume you mean ) I had a real batch that had one vial short by 4/10ths cc, and another that was over .25 cc. but the date is always stamped - check e2's drug pics page - he shows both.


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rainhorn

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posted November 15, 2000 06:52 AM

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yes,i also have a few of them and from what i saw there were underdosed.


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The_Iron_Game

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posted November 15, 2000 07:26 AM

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I dont believe they are a fake, but possibly underdosed by the manufacturer. Why would someone wish to underdose a fake to make it stand out. To me it just doesnt make sense.
Anyway thats just my opinion. I have heard there are a lot of fake Norma deca's out there, anyone have any info on this? I am about to order some and dont wish to do so if its possible they are fake.


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Retabolil2

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posted November 15, 2000 09:22 AM

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Sometimes it happends. I have 2ml vials of nandrolone phenylpropionate (HB, India). They are underdosed about .3ml but they works great.


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Jay287

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posted November 15, 2000 10:03 AM

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bought a s-load of these about 3years ago at 10$ a piece and they all turned out to be bogus. The oil had no yellow tint at all..completely clear and they all came loose. I have heard the new ones are legit. i was lucky enough to get my money back but you have to keep your eyes open.


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