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CLEMDOG

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posted November 13, 2000 11:00 PM

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guys, things for me right now are reaking havoc on my mentally and physically. It just feels like I'm falling apart at the seams. I've never had problems like this before, never, and I dont know what to do about it all.

To begin with I have had a horrible semester at college, it has stressed me to the max. The last few weeks I just feel hopeless, like I'm stuck in a rut and cant get out. I'm probably failing 2 classes which will kill me for next semester, as will my parents.
Just the other day I went to the health center cause I have had puffy nips and thought if I may have the possibility of getting some antiaromatase if I was lucky. The nurse took my BP and it was 170/100, extremely high for me (normal usually 130/70).
I feel as if I have been suffering from low/suppressed test levels for about a month now from a short fina cycle. I have been depressed, anxious, shitty workout intensity, ect.

Well I remember a while back getting a CBC done and my creatinine levels were elevated, which denotes kidney stress. Well due to the amount of protein I eat day in, day out, they probably are. I'm 163lbs and on average take in about 300grms of protein/day, if not more. Elevated BP can also be linked with stressed kidneys, my 170/100??

Also I have been planning a first cycle that I am going to start in about 2-3 weeks and now am getting nervous about doing it. It is going to be sus/fina/arimidex. It would not be a smart idea with my BP elevated as it is.

Guys I need direction, some help? Just a really shitty point in my life I guess.


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b fold the truth

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posted November 13, 2000 11:03 PM

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Calm down, relax, spend time at home with close friends. Do all you can to relax before you start your cycle. Look into herbs which may help too.

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Kingwinny

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posted November 13, 2000 11:06 PM

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once your on the gear you'll be fine. Curious to know why fina made u feel shitty. good luck

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Tomo

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posted November 13, 2000 11:08 PM

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Hang in there dude- I know from your posts you are a great guy- We get this shit thrown at us to test our resolve- you can do this- i cant solve your situation- but i can offer advice-1)make a plan to get school right-talk to your teachers counselor whoever and formulate a doable plan to set that right-its not the end of the world but you have hard work to do. 2) work on getting your body healthy enough to withstand the stress of AS. Your kidney and liver problems can be helped you also need to check hpta you might not be as far of as you think - you have youth on your side. Finally try to relax and start you plan-email me if you want-tomo


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greenhouse

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posted November 13, 2000 11:13 PM

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Surrourd yourself with close friends. just what the truth said. Everything will get better just go to the Dr. and get that BP checked out.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted November 13, 2000 11:14 PM

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I agree,clemdog is a good guy.Bro,from the brief description you've given here,it sounds as if your testosterone to estrogen ratio is seriously out of whack.Did you use clomid post-cycle after that fina?Highly elevated estrogen levels can certainly elevate BP...


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filo

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posted November 13, 2000 11:15 PM

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get some hcg and saint johns wort.


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CLEMDOG

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posted November 13, 2000 11:32 PM

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thanks for the reply guys, it always makes me feel better to talk to you when I have problems.

If would have no doubt that my test/estrogen levels are completely screwed up. My fina cycle was only 2 weeks, transdermally at 100mg ED. No clomid, didnt think 2 weeks would suppress me much, but I guess I was wrong. I guess due to this, I havent been able to handle and maintain myself as well.

The BP can be taken care of, but the creatinine levels measured a couple months ago and the amount of protein I ingest every day worries me. I have a mind set were nothing is going to deter me from my training, supplementing, diet. And when I know I may be harming myself instead of doing myself any good, I think I would still be too stubborn to change any of my ways. I love the sport and everything there is to it, I cant change.

I think I will try to calm myself and reduce my stress before I begin my cycle. I really only have about 3 more weeks of classes left before this semester is over, so that will take a lot of pressure off my back before I begin.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted November 13, 2000 11:40 PM

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Make sure you get that BP under control BEFORE you start administering any gear buddy,as that will only aggrevate the situation further.I would also run some bloodwork to check your endogenous hormonal status as well.....


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drivebyposer

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posted November 13, 2000 11:42 PM

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Take it from a nurse. You need a break from all the gear. If your creatnine is elevated then there is something going on with the kidneys. I would blame it on the indirect effects of gear like more water retention from the gear. The increased stress does not help either. My advice as a gear user, competitor, and professional is to get some clomid, and some hcg to normalize your body's own levels. Do not use the gear for at least 3 months. Keep eating the protein and just watch your NaCl levels. I could tell or offer you more but that is about the bulk of it.

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mrjeremy

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posted November 13, 2000 11:46 PM

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cmon dog dont be such a pussy we all have our slump days just accept it, deal with it and keep rollin


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CLEMDOG

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posted November 13, 2000 11:56 PM

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drivebyposer- I really have never done any gear before, I'm still pretty much a virgin. I have used insulin and that small fina cycle. Thats it.

Mrjeremy-I wouldnt exactly call this a slump day, try a slump 5-6months! Not fun

Huck-I will definitely get the BP under control, but it may have been a couple variables that had it elevated that day. I had taken 2 adipo tabs only 1 1/2 hrs before the appointment. I was also kinda nervous when I went in about the nip deal thinking they would be suspicous.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted November 14, 2000 12:01 AM

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Do you have access to any anti-estros?


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CLEMDOG

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posted November 14, 2000 12:05 AM

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I have 8 weeks of arimidex being shipped to me as we speak. I would be combining it with my sus/fina cycle. Or should I run that for a few weeks and lower my possible estrogen elevation and forget about using it during my cycle?


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lawnsaver

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posted November 14, 2000 12:15 AM

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I.ve been there. My doctor put me on an anti depressant. Dont be scared its not permanent. They picked me back up in 2 weeks. Get some clomid to normalize your test level. There is an otc supplement called 5-htp take I take on a regular basis. It raises your seritonin levels, which acts like a natural anti depressant. Hang in there and dont be afraid to take to your doctor.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted November 14, 2000 12:26 AM

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Yours is a unique situation,one in which I agree with the above advice given.Get ahold of some clomid ASAP,and begin implimenting it,not only to restore your testicular axis,but to also suppress your existing elevation of estrogen(clomid is also useful like nolvadex in this regard).I would bet that this will restore your BP to normal,as well as level out your mental state.


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CLEMDOG

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posted November 14, 2000 12:36 AM

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you guys are a great help.

How do you propose I use the clomid 50mg/ED for 2 weeks? Would this be sufficient? Would the arimidex not work instead of clomid?

I believe my whole situation is based on screwed up hormones right now.

Thanks again guys!


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted November 14, 2000 12:43 AM

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Clomid is the multi-purpose drug of choice for you.It will restore test function,as well as keep estrogen levels in check.Start at 100mg/day for 1 week.Week 2-50mgs/day.Week 3-50mgs/EOD...Done.


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