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Cool Novice 
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I'm sure I'm gonna get flamed for this since the people on here seem a bit hypersensitive, but hopefully I'll get some genuine answers as well. To give a bit of history, I'm planning a real cycle sometime between March and April, since I'll be out of college then and have time to fully focus. However, I am an extreme ectomorph and have difficulty putting on any weight even though I am very dedicated. My gains are painfully slow right now even though I'm consuming upwards of 5000 cals/ day. I was considering, for a short boost, taking around 75mg of finaplix eod for about 2 weeks. I would be taking it orally, since I would prefer not to smell like ass all day long w/ DMSO, and I'm not sure if such a short time warrants going to all the trouble of making it an injectable, buying pins, etc... My main concern is the toxicity of Fina to my liver and kidneys...especially oral. I'm in this for the muscle but not at the expense of permanent kidney damage for only small gains, which is what I'm expecting from 2 weeks of tren. So 3 questions. 1. Is this viable and worthwhile IYO? 2. Would I need clomid? 2 weeks shouldn't be long enough to shut of natural test as I understand it. 3. How much damage do you think my kidneys would incur from this? This is my primary concern... Once again, for those who help, thanks. And to those who are getting poised to flame, no thanks.    | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 425 |
If you are wanting to gain weight, then fina would not be my choice. Test, dbol or deca would be better. Fina will not pack on much size by itself, but will increase strength and agression. Do more research. ghans  | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 3319 |
1. 2 weeks is not long enough to get decent results and also be able to keep what you gain. 2. No. I don't beliee that fina would shut down your natural test. 3.Well, oppinions our out on this but from my experience not much some people take it for months at a time and no damage happens to their kiddneys or liver. But everyone is diff.. ------------------ Lift | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 97 |
TA cannot be absorbed by any other means than injection or with a transdermal carrier. I don't care if you put it under your tongue, shove it up your ass, pack your nostrils with the crap, etc. IT WILL NOT GET INTO YOUR BLOODSTREAM. Even if it did, TA alone would not be the best choice for someone looking to add mass. Alone it would harden you up, you would have to add d-bol or something to get much size off it. Actually, since you seem sort-of dumb (yes, you are gonna be a college grad, but that's just another kind of stupidity), I will make the following false and irresponsible recomendation (which at least will work better than eating the pellets): Buy the implant gun and shoot yourself with it every couple weeks. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 346 |
I have taken fina all 3 ways you mentioned over the years. Injection is by far the best, but if you insist on taking fina and taking it orally, crush it into a powder and let it disolve under your tounge. A much better choice would be some d-bol as mrntioned above. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
Thanks cocksmoker. I'd like to hear why you think I'm dumb. Maybe you're confusing 'dumb' with 'being new to something and trying to learn.' I'm sure that even though you are sitting at home on a Saturday night that your time is extremely important. I hope I haven't taken you away from more pressing matters your highness. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 3319 |
WELL THATS THE LAST BIT OF HELP YOU GET FROM ME!!! JAY ------------------ Lift | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 841 |
Bob, There's no need to call someone here a cocksmoker okay? Think about it how much can anyone gain on two weeks of anything except maybe a shitolad of test suspension and anadrol. You are not stupid because you dont know much about anabolics, most all of us were at that stage ourselves. You are lazy and ignorant. If you'd do some, or any research you'd know that this is not orally active steroid. And the two week thing is just common sense. Nothing happens in two weeks except maybe some H2o retention. Lastly alot of vets here are sick of questions that are not even thought out before they are posted. Yes, we see repetative posts but at least they have some valid points in them. Dont count on much help on this board. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 210 |
Agree that you need to take the fina for longer than 2 weeks. Probably at least 4 if not 6 weeks. You will like it a lot. B True | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
There are a bunch of guys posting on The Rock's message board about the good results they are getting by simply eating the pellets instaed of injection. Most of them do about 80 mg eod for 4 weeks or so. I'm not sure if you would need clomid or not, but I'm going to try to get some before I start fina just to be sure. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 291 |
Hey Big Jay!! I think he was talkig about the Hugh guy. Not you!!  That was a little out of line what that Hugh guys said, that is my opinion.------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
1. Jay, not you bro, that 'Hugh' guy. 2. If Fina is not orally active, how come I've read things on numerous message boards about people crushing them under their tounges? 3. I understand I wouldn't get much weight gain. I was talking about a small boost just so I could get over a few sticking points in my lifts, that's all. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 483 |
All steroids are orally active...TO AN EXTENT, if not then pro-hormones would show no elevation in testosterone or estrogen. But the extent is less than 10% of the total dose, more around 1-2% (I can pull up the study on oral nandrolone showing this). Oral tren will give the user some advantage, similar to using pro-hormones...actually a little better than pro-hormones, since tren requires no conversion. A transdermal preparation is better than oral, and there are alternative preparations that can be used instead of DMSO, i.e. propylene glycol (PG)+cocoa butter, PG+isopropanol, phloegel, etc. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
Thanks cockdezl, that was the answer I was looking for. If they wouldn't be any more effective then prohormones orally, but with what would most likely be many times the kidney toxicity, then I'll pass. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 193 |
Its not 17AA so dont really worry about the liver, it is better than prohormones orally, much better. I have heard of pretty good results at 80mg/day in terms of strength and hardness. Just drink lots of water and cran extract and your kidneys should be fine. Do it six weeks. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
Interesting. Thank you bigrand for your comments. Alright, say I do 80mgs. a day for 6 weeks. I will be consuming appx. 6000 cals/day during this time, along w/ about 2 gallons of water and cranberry juice of course. I also figure I should give up creatine during this time, especially for my kidneys, correct? I know this is going to be a most-likely impossible question to answer, but can anyone give me an estimate of how much weight I could possibly gain? I would be happy with even 5-10lbs. I'm quite the ectomorph. Also, I should obviously be taking clomid during this time, yes? I am a bit concerned about getting gyno, because according to the Chemical Wizardy report, there is a high instance of gyno in users..buy since it doesn't aromatize, Nolvadex would be useless as I understand it...so there's not much I can do about gyno then. Anything else? I appreciate the help, this board has been the best as far as helpful people...assholes non-withstanding. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 116 |
yea, fina should be taken for no less than 6 weeks. i am and mesomorph so im the oposite. fina helped me lose a lot of fat and i gained some mass but not enough to say fina is a mass builder. this is my personal experience. im takinf fina 450mg a week and have been for about 4 months. now that im at a decent bodyfat % i am adding D-bol to the cycle as well as ive been taking sust @ 500mg a week for 3 weeks now. now im gaining size. but fina alone for you really shouldnt be taken for mass. go with D-bol and sustenon for your first cycle. good luck bro. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 193 |
take CRANBERRY EXTRACT, not juice. The extract is better. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
Ooops...I meant extract.....really... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 409 |
BIGJAY--- I thought that fina would shut down natural test production??? I may be wrong..I will double check when I have time... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 193 |
Fina is a hardcore androgen. test levels do drop some, from what a reputable source told me. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
Trenbalone is about 3x more powerful per gram then testosterone. Unfortunatly(considering the easy availability of tren) test is more fun. Test makes you horney while tren is sort of off...results vary, more crabby in general. Trenbalone is great for sub 14 day cycles cause it is fast acting and quick to be gone. Used in long cycles, I have heard that tren will shut down natural T production even faster then it's 3x power would suggest. It is almost certainly, gram for gram the most strongly androgenic and testicle suppressing drug available. This explains it's great popularity with cattle. Steers don't have no nuts so tren rules. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1235 |
BBB,Fina would not be the way to go, even to get over sticking points. If you're looking for something oral take anavar. Not much mass, but no sides either and it will help you over "sticking points". I personally would use a cycle of winny and deca. They work synergistically and counteract the DHT. You would get much more strength and some mass with VERY few sides. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 957 |
An ectomorph who's looking to lose bodyfat?? It seems to me there's a lot of conflicting opinions on this topic. If I were you BBB, I would just suck it and see what happens. 2, 4 or even 6-8 weeks of oral tren is not gonna kill your kidneys unless you've got a pre-existing kidney problem. But if it were me, I would try one of cockdez1's transdermal concoctions. I am assuming you're asking this question because tren is all you get your hands on at the moment? | ||
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Guru
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
Well. AJC. You've obviously been here for awhile, so I'm even going to bother since I know you all stick together. I will say I think you are being unfair and extremely off base though. Remember, I was insulted first. [This message has been edited by BULLETIN BOARD BOB (edited November 13, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 190 |
Phantom~No comments...just like the girl A good change for a bit..She is Hot!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 246 |
Tren is a mass builder! Take more and find out for yourself. Also, with only a two week cycle, try taking more than what you have planned. Try around 150 mg. per day. If you do decide to do the oral route, then let us know your results (hehehe). Since you do not want to inject, then I still would recommend the transdermal route. DMSO for a two week period is not that long, and I think the gains from 150 mg. per day will definately out-weigh the "smelly breath". If this is a problem, then do the propylene-glycol route as suggested. Do a search on it to find out where to get it. Don't be a pansy-ass. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
quote: No. I have access to a majority of orals and injectables, but they are mail-order and I don't want to test my luck with customs for just a short 'boost' cycle.. Losing bodyfat, well, actually I'd say that even though I've been bulking forever my bf is probably around 10%...so maybe it's just better off that I keep it for strength. ----------- If I decide to do fina then yeah, I probably won't do the oral route now that I'm aware of other transdermal methods besides DMSO. I admit I have been a bit lazy with my research, and coupled with my ignorance, "Try around 150 mg. per day. If you do decide to do the oral route, then let us know your results (hehehe" Are not exactly reassuring as to the validity of your advice, but anyway, I appreciate all who took the time to help out a newbie here. I'll do some more research and be back with <hopefully> better educated questions. One thing though, do you think clomid is nescessary for 2 week on, 4 week off cycles? [This message has been edited by BULLETIN BOARD BOB (edited November 13, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 97 |
Okay, I won't flame you this time. tren does not convert to estrogen, so you don't need to take clomid to prevent gyno during the cycle. I have used it for short cycles and it does really shut down your nuts more than anything else though(even after just two weeks). I honestly don't think that taking tren by itself for short cycles (even if you are injecting) will be that benificial, because the small gains that you do get will quickly be lost while you're nads are recovering afterwards. A short cycle with winstrol only or winstrol and oxandrolone (since you do not want to inject) would be a much better choice and if taken for just two weeks will cause minimal HPTA inhibition. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
Hmmm... That is an interesting point. It's not that I don't want to inject, I just thought going to all the trouble of ordering a kit, mixing it, blah blah for just 2 weeks would be a bit much. I guess I'll just do what I figured I'd end up doing anyway...stay natural 'till march. Being natural sucks. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 67 |
try anadrol, if you dont grow of that you wont grow off anything! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 741 |
quote: AND WATCH YOUR HAIR JUMP FROM ITS ROOTS!!! bad advice....trenbolone is effective at a much lower dosage than this...doing 150 mg a day is plain ignorance PA | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 246 |
I really do not feel that 150 mg per day is too much for a 2 week ONLY cycle, especially if it is the only drug used. If this were a longer cycle, then I could see the "ignorance", but this is only two weeks that we are talking about here. If a person is afraid of losing their hair, then they should not be using this drug in the first place. By the way BBB, my previous post was not a flame even though it might have seemed to be. |
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posted November 12, 2000 12:56 AM
