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Trumpet2

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posted November 11, 2000 08:27 AM

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I have a question about the amount I should use for a first cycle. 6" 205 I'm getting so many different suggestions it's becoming confusing. The main question is: Is this too much for a first cycle(Should I half the doses)? I want to get big then go back and cut-up. If you can suggest a better cycle that would help

Sus---Deca--Dbol---Clomid
750---400---20----50eod
500---400---25----50eod
500---400---30----50eod
500---400---25----50eod
500---400---20----50eod
500---300---------50eod
500---300---------50eod
250---200---------50eod
2 week clomid cycle

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ulter

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posted November 11, 2000 10:45 AM

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I would move that sus in the last week up to the 2nd week so you have the 1st 2 weeks at 750. Start high on your Dbol and taper after week 3. Don't pyramid Dbol you miss the point of it.


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Beezers

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posted November 11, 2000 02:22 PM

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No, it's not too much. My only suggestion would be to run the sust at a steady dose throughout the cycle. 500/wk for the entire eight weeks. There is no need to start high and finish low. It takes a while to build up in your system and it tapers on its own.

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The_Iron_Game

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posted November 11, 2000 08:01 PM

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Beezers said it well


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lawnsaver

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posted November 11, 2000 08:05 PM

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I too agree with breezer, but with the d-bol, since you are stacking keep the dose constant and take them all at once. You have teat and deca to build the muscle, use the d-bol to get crazzzy in the gym. The more you rip the more you will grow


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WinDec

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posted November 11, 2000 11:17 PM

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Actually, I think Ulter's comments were right on. Start heavy on the sust to get to desired serum levels as quickly as possible. The same goes for Deca. And I can think of no conceivable rational justification for pyramiding the Dianabol (or anything else, for that matter.) If you want to go with 6 per day, that is the dose you should start with.

Also, what is the purpose of 50 mg Clomid eod throughout the cycle? If it is solely for estrogen protection, you are likely to find that it will not be enough, particularly in the first half of the cycle. If, rather, it is intended somehow to avoid HPTA inhibition, you will find the attempt futile, unfortunately.

With those caveats, I like your cycle. Good luck.


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ThePitbull

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posted November 11, 2000 11:22 PM

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That's not too much for a first cycle.
It looks real good. Just fine tune it like the bro'said, "no pyramiding d-bol".

You should get great gains from this as a first cycle. Good luck!

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the mechanic

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posted November 11, 2000 11:23 PM

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Not too shabby, although as mentioned above, I would up the sus the first 3 weeks and keep the d-dol at a constant 25 to 30 mgs per day.
About taking the d-bol all at once, you will get mixed responses about that. I have had more luck splitting them up 4 times a day.
All in all it looks pretty good for a first cycle.

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2Thick

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posted November 11, 2000 11:39 PM

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You are using way too much for a first cycle. You are wasting your money because you will grow well on lower dosages.

In the future, your cycles will be more expensive and less effective if you start high.

Cut out the Sust and leave the rest (even though the Deca is still high by itself).

Diet will make the real difference and not the dosage.

Start low and work your way up.


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howard1

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posted November 11, 2000 11:54 PM

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thick is correct.way too much for a first cycle.you will grow with much less


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ghans

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posted November 12, 2000 01:27 AM

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Well, 2Thick is correct. Lower doses for your first cycle will give good gains if your diet and training is up to par. Your future cycles will be more expensive and more sides because you will need more gear for the effect. I also agree with the responses that you got regarding pyramiding the dbol. Start high and taper it. Sust at 500mg all the way through as well. No taper needed at these dosages. The only one I would pyramid is the deca but many will disagree. I'm no expert but I have done less gear with good results. My 2 cents.

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