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BigDad

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posted November 09, 2000 04:28 AM

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SORRY...

I'm 26 years old, weighting 176 lbs, training 5 times/week since 5 years.

Week-Dbol--Sust--Deca--HCG--Clomid
-----/day--/week-/week-/week-/day
1----2*10--250---100
2----2*15--250---200
3----2*15--250---300
4----2*10--250---400
5----------250---400
6----------250---300
7----------250---200
8----------250---100-2*1500iu--50
9--------------------2*1500iu--50
10-----------------------------50
11-----------------------------50

Dbol twice a day
HCG twice a week

What about proviron : 25 mg/day, 5-10 week.


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YAKUZA

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posted November 09, 2000 04:41 AM

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OK, here's what I think. First of all, I wouldn't take the Dbol twice a day. It's gonna peak, then drop, then peak, then drop again. Take one every four hours to keep blood levels steady. Second, 250mg of sus is a little low for most people. Since it's your first cycle, why not hit 500mg a week and take advantage of that first cycle. The deca, I'd just run at 400mg the whole way thru. And I'd throw the HCG in the trash. Use the clomid and get some Nolva for if you need it. I'm sure someone will disagree, but that's my opinion.


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The_Iron_Game

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posted November 09, 2000 05:13 AM

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Yakuzza hit t bang on the head, run sust @ 500mg/wk and deca @ 400-500 throughout


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BigDad

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posted November 09, 2000 05:40 AM

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Ok, thanks for all!!!

like it...it's better...

Week-Dbol--Sust--Deca--HCG--Clomid
-----/day--/week-/week-/week-/day
1----30-----0---200
2----40----250---300
3----30----250---400
4----20----500---400
5----------500---400
6----------500---300
7----------250---200
8----------250---100-2*1500iu--50
9--------------------2*1500iu--50
10-----------------------------50
11-----------------------------50


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The_Iron_Game

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posted November 09, 2000 05:45 AM

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Looking much better bro.


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YAKUZA

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posted November 09, 2000 05:51 AM

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Sorry, still don't like it. Start the sus on week one at 500mg, and run it through at that dose. Don't taper it up or down, it self tapers. Deca looks about the same as it was in the first cycle. You won't gain shit on 100 or 200mg of deca, run it at 400mg. If you don't have enough gear to do this, I'd wait to get more. Nothing worse than being disappointed with the results of your cycle.


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Retabolil2

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posted November 09, 2000 06:00 AM

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I`m agree with Yakuza on this. Dbol twice a day is a stupid decision `couse of the half life of dbol. Dbol works for 3-4hours. You should take it every 4 hours. Sust at 250mg per week is a low dosage. For example, my dosage is 750-2000mg.


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media

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posted November 09, 2000 06:23 AM

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Well I agree with bros at most. Keep sust at 500 mg all the way and don't pyramid d-bol. Start d-bol at 30 mg and taper it down till week five. That way you'll get instant strength gains until sust kicks in. Also take d-bol as Yakuza said. 400 mg deca all the way definately. As for proviron start tking it 2 weeks before you start your cycle, and throughout the whole cycle. There is a lot of reasons for doing it. Do the search. HCG - NO. Clomid - YES.
My two cents.


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BigDad

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posted November 09, 2000 08:09 AM

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Isn't too hard for a first cycle ? My receptors are clean so...

What about Nolva 20 mg + a couple proviron daily throughout the whole cycle?


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Vovan

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posted November 09, 2000 08:15 AM

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it's not too hard... start taking proviron two weeks before the first sust shot... and keep nolva in hand in case of gyno symptoms...


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BigDad

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posted November 09, 2000 09:02 AM

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OK, good advises, I will follow these...

Here my final cycle :

Week-Dbol--Sust--Deca-Clomid
-----/day--/week-/week-/day
1-----30---500---400
2-----30---500---400
3-----30---500---400
4-----30---500---400
5-----30---500---400
6----------500---400
7----------250---300--50
8----------250---200--50
9---------------------50
10--------------------50

Thanks guys.
11--------------------50


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Vovan

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posted November 09, 2000 09:23 AM

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that's it! you don't need to taper sust though. and start clomid from week 10 (two weeks after the final sust shot). so weeks 10&11 - 100mg ed, 12 - 50mg ed... AND TIME TO GROW BRO!


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GetHuge

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posted November 09, 2000 09:35 AM

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Going to add my 2 cents. Use 300 mg deca at the last week. Deca is extremely inhibitory even at 100mg per week, so if your going to be inhibited by it, use a dose that will keep you growing (300-400mg) vs. a small dose that will inhibit test and yield little gains. If your using Proviron, use at least 50 mg and take a half tab several times throughout the day to keep blood levels up. Also, HCG should be used at 500 IU every day for 2-3 weeks post cycle.


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BigDad

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posted November 10, 2000 04:27 AM

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Thanks for the advices bros.

BigDad


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