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Cool Novice 
Posts: 28 |
Maybe I am just blessed when it comes to using gear. I never have gotten gyno, even though I have never used Nolvadex. Never have gotten any acne. Never had any rages(cause Im a cool guy to start). No hair loss. Nothin. I have also been able to make SIGNIFIGANT gains off of rather miniscule doses of gear. I have gained 15 lbs. on 50mgs of Deca/week and ONLY 50mds Deca(no stack), for example. That being said, I am BY NO MEANS a genetic freak. That is why I have to take issue with some of the advice given on some boards on dosing. Advice like.."O you wont get ANYTHING on Deca alone." Come on guys! Deca alone is better than not using anything, and I would say that you are full of shit if you would sit there and tell me that you would make the same progress taking nothing as you would by taking just one type of gear by itself. Stacking is great, but for the dude who might not have a sinifigant cash flow yet, moderate doses of ANY one gear(cept maybe anavar) will provide SOME progress.     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 188 |
I agree with what you say. For someone new it will not take someone a lot of gear to grow a lot to where they can tell a great difference. I think that for someone who has used a lot of gear before, it will take much more than that to feel like they have grown a lot. I hope that this makes some sense. B True | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 27 |
me 2. some respond better to AS. one doctor once told me that when the receptors are full, another 20 mg:s of this and that won't work, or the effect is minimal. it's like a car. if it has half a tank of gasoline it goes 130 mp/h, it would be very odd if it went 200 mp/h with a full tank! hehe
but i say that you can do well with just deca, if you train properly, eat clean and enough. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1062 |
roidog420: You meant 500mg of Deca right??? hehehe bazukajoe: which different receptors hehehe Funny thread guys keep it up ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 406 |
99.99% of us wont gain a thing on 50mg of Deca. I think Deca alone is not a wise investment and at that dose you Must Be A GENETIC FREAK to gain anything. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 55 |
50 mg per week?? Placebo effect, 100% guaranteed. If we assume that this "dose" of Deca will inhibit 30% of normal, endogenous test production (a reasonable guess,) we just get roughly to break-even with regard to anabolic effect. Any possibility of a greater degree of inhibition would result in a net *decrease* of overall anabolism. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 816 |
Roiddog Honestly it must have been just training and eating. 50mg might cause gains if you were female and 120 lbs. No flame just being realistic. ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1778 |
50 MAY NOT BE ENOUGH FOR EVEN ME... BUT I AGREE 100% SOME OF THE GUYS HERE ADVISE INSANE SHIT... I SAW YESTERDAY SOMEONE DOING A GRAM OF TEST AND HE DIDNT SEEM LIKE HE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH GEAR... INSANE!!! STUPID!!! ABOMBS FOR NEWBIES..HAHAHAHA | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 3051 |
ahhh so thats what happens my receptors are getting "full" hmm well that explains everything, did the dr. tell you where the guage was that tells you it is 'full' or 'empty'? 50mg of deca will grow a newbie who has never eaten above 2000 cals in his life, and its not b/c of the AS its because of finally eating some fucken food. Slopain ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 280 |
deca is the best anabolic drug avalible it promotes gains quality gains but 50mg a week wouldnt be enough for most ppl altho some would get results 200mg every 5 days would be a cheap worthwhile cycle . | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 353 |
I wish I had your genetics bro! I'd be as big as a house by now. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1270 |
You can gain 15 pounds without roids. Just eat, eat, eat and you will get there. Now with 50 mgr of Deca, not all gains where muscle, there is some fat and water involved, i am very sure of this. Besides if i am wrong, you can pull this off only once. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 192 |
Someone give roidog a cookie...  [This message has been edited by Daeo (edited November 09, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
To all you guys who said that you cant gain 15 lbs off off 50mgs Deca/week & that it must have been fat & water(OK, I'll give you the water), I would like to say that you are the dudes that I was referring to in the original post! Thanks for making my point for me. By the way...the dude who said that it was 100% placebo.....I guess you know me & my body better than I do eh Coleman? You are a real guru. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 16 |
well when I was 19 I use to do huge runs, I would load up on sustanon and laurabolin, primotest, and etc.....I am now 25 didnt do juice for 5 years, had a injury and didnt work out for 4.5 years, finally got back in the gym, I dried up to 175, got in the gym got up to 220 with creatine and andro, finally I decided to use the juice, but my conditions were odd, only injected every 2 weeks, I would take 2000mg of nor 200 and atleast 1000 mgs of test, I must say the high doses worked better, but I wasnt doing it every week because of my supply situation, so the high doses some guys said were stupid and unreal, but comin from someone who has never done high doses in the past they didnt know what they were talking about, so basically 200 mgs of deca is the least you want to take, if you gained 15lbs it wasnt all off the deca, because 50mgs is not enough to do shit, trust me, so look try 500mgs of decca and 500mgs of test, you will see the difference, Like I said the 15lbs you gained was probably from training and eating, and mentality, remember everyone is different, but taking 50mgs of deca is a waste of time, money, and tissue in your ass and legs, If i do a run I will take atleast 6 cc's at one time, one time I took 18cc's at one time. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 55 |
<<By the way...the dude who said that it was 100% placebo.....I guess you know me & my body better than I do eh Coleman? You are a real guru.>> Easy, pal. Try not to let your water break. Incidentally, it hardly takes a "guru" or Ronnie Coleman to know this. Anyone with even a modicum of steroid knowledge would laugh at your naive assertion. I was polite enough not to do so before. I am laughing now, however. You are welcome to maintain your own opinion. I really don't care. Just don't get indignant and insulting. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 111 |
madbomber31...hope you aren't talking about me. I took 1g of test in my last cycle, but I know what I'm talking about, and I didn't get any sides! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 34 |
although my first cycle consisted of 200mg of prop a week, and I did get "decent" gains, but not great gains, I don't think 50mg a week is gonna pack on 15 pnds of muscle. Listen to the bro's here and at some of the other "respectable" boards dude. Some of these guys know more about juice than any textbook reading doctor you'll ever run into. Although I do agree with this guy on one thing, there are some guys who do recommend taking absolutely sick and wrong dosages of some types of gear. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 19 |
Some of the dosages I've seen being tossed around are great for experienced juicers, but a first-timer can probably do well on less. I don't have my books with me here (at work) but I'd be interested in knowing what the established theraputic dose of deca is supposed to be. It *is* possible that Roidog420 did make some gains on a low dose (depending on what the thereputic dose is supposed to be). I know the theraputic dose is way too low to give most bodybuilders what they want, but maybe Roidog is sensitive to it. Anybody have that info readily available? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1062 |
Therapeutic dose for deca is 200-400mg every other week so about 100-200mg a week. He took half of that. Most test subjects gain about 10lbs in 6months using the therapeutic doses. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1270 |
ok, i got the water. Don't tell me you are ripped to the bone while on Deca. And i mean it when i say that you can pull this off ONCE. Next time on 50 mgr/deca nothing will be gained. I gained 26 pounds until now with Primo alone. It took me almost 18 months. But i can put on another 10-12 pounds with the Primo alone, but i will have to up my doses, and you will have to do this to. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 17 |
In summer of 92 I went from 132lbs June 17 ,1996 - 154lbs july 16,1996. Nothing but Nutrition & Weights 5 days a week. To Failure + & - . I have a feeling that you would have gotten these results without the DECA. I could be wrong, but I htink it was a mentality gimmick. You know that your juicin so you work at it harder?? my .02 worth. Also in May '99 I was 144lbs after working Midnites for 5 months and not eating shit. I hit the nutrition, got back on days. And by July '99 I was back in the 170's. I have maintained 174-178 For a year now. I have not tried to gain. I have been trying to stabilize my frame. Now I am ready to go extreme.
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Guru
Posts: 2138 |
50 mg a week? Give me a break. Roiddog, you are such a guru. From now on I won't go over 50 mg a week on anything. Thanks. And all this time I gues I was wasting my money. I agree that some people do more than what is needed but 50 mg per week?? Excuse me while I laugh my ass off.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1043 |
I am not trying to burst your little bubble, but you are crazy to think 50mg of deca a week will do anything for you. Like the other bro's said strictly placebo. Your body and mind thought you were using gear and you were eating, sleeping, and training harder than ever, becuase you thought you needed to. I promise you that is what it was, No we dont know your body but either do you if you think your gains were due to 50mg of deca..I will give you 50mg of water and prove your placebo effect. your point is valid about crazy doses of gear yes newbies do not need 1000mg of test but if 50mg of deca makes me grow i am ronnie coleman. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
just take 10 anadrol a day, it wont give you gyno, it will fix your gyno. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
Ok smartass. I wasn't saying that YOU should only take 50mgs a week. Im saying that is what my experiences have been & the whole point was that some guys give dosing advice that is rediculously high IMO. You wouldn't be laughing if you saw the gains I have made on what, according to some, are doses that are way too low. Maybe I would laugh MY ass off if I saw the $amount$ YOU spend on gear. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1043 |
bro, know need for the flame i didnt call you a smart ass.. I am simply comenting to your topic...What is it with these damn newbies they make stupid topics get flamed then get pissed......TAKE 50mg of deca and be like ROIDOG ......... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 68 |
I just thought i'd point out that Larry Scott won the 1965 Olympia on 10mgs a day (ie two tab of dianabol per day), after a meeting at Gironda's north hollywood gym to decide if it was safe to up the dosage from one tab a day to 2. This is no shit. Larry talks about it himself in his seminars and many other greats from the time verify it. Now, this is below the therapeutic dose, so essentially he won the 1964 Mr. O clean. Next point...how many of you look like Larry did in '65?? Probably not many. How many work as hard as the old school guys? Probably not many. How much have we lost site of the whole issue of the sport and got caught up in a chemical arms race? Too much. This is just my opinion but i have to agree with the guys who say food and training was the cause of the gains, not drugs. So here is a revolutionary suggestion. Eat more, train harder and smarter, sleep more and grow like a weed. 10 years down the line if you are not as huge as you would like, then hell, maybe drugs are for you, but personally i think we would be better off if we paid more attention to what we do and how we do it in terms of iron and food, than to drug use. Please, nobody get offended, i am not some kind of puritanical maniac and i wholly believe in peoples freedom to use anabolic drugs, i just wish folks would realise that you can get pretty fucking huge without them. Cheers, G. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 55 |
Regarding the observation that training and diet, etc., are crucially important to making progress - point well taken. It isn't all completely about pharmacology, or at least it shouldn't be. However, I have to disagree with the comment that 10 mg per day Dianabol represents a subtherapeutic dose. If taken all in the morning ("The breakfast of champions," right?) 10 mg Dianabol would be moderately helpful, at the margin. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 87 |
rioddog all i have 2 say is stay cool with people in hear when it comes time that u need help and u have a Q the people in hear can and will help u .but when u make people mad u are not going 2 get any help just a smart ass remark.i have not had a Q yet that could not be anserd in here . | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 617 |
I think what we must understand and took me a while to understand is that alot of the bros that are new to juice have NOT hit their peak and alot of times no where near. By taking small amounts of gear WILL help them. If they were as big as they could naturally of course they would not grow off of 50mg of deca or nething close. Taking this into consideration we ask how long they have been training. Alot of times its lie in return for fear that we might flame them for using anabolics early. Truth is this! People are gonna use them no matter what their experience so we cant expect everyone to have gotten to their natural barrier and so forth even though this would be ideal before starting AAS but it will never be that way. I am in now way saying that is ok to start roids early or vise versa, only commenting. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
I did NOT intend to start a flame war here. My problem with the responses I have received is this: I am 29 years old and have been training religiously for 15 years(since my Frosh. year in high school)and am not a NEWBIE to lifting or gear, nor do I expect to be treated like one by some guy who thinks that he knows more than me because he has been lifting 2 years but has 2000 fucking posts. You assholes who fall into this category know who you are & ..well you keep on typin fellas. Im sorry if I got pissed or offended anyone who was just responding as to THEIR experinces with gear, as I was only stating mine. Thanks | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 4337 |
Okay, I have not read through the whole post so take this reply with that in mind. Who has used 50mg of Deca per week? Now unless you have used it, then you do not know if it will do anything. This especially goes for the meatheads that use high dosages. I have not used that, but my very first cycle was 200mg of Primobolan depot for 8 weeks and I gained 12-15 pounds (considering the fat loss). So I can say low dosages will lead to good gains if you have all of the other factors in line. As the man is trying to say, start low and work your way up because you do not know how your body is going to react. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2138 |
OK, maybe I was being a smart ass. I do that occasionally. Sorry roiddog, no offense intended. If you can grow off of 50 mg of deca per week, great. But I don't know anybody else who could. I know people who have just done 200 mg a week of deca alone and didn't gain more than 8 lbs in 8 weeks. I don't like to make enemies or piss people off, so I apologize. And I do agree that alot of people take way too much. But to each his own. If you want minimal doses and another guy wants high doses, you are both going to be growing muscle and that's what its all about. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 172 |
I totally agree with Roid...Enough has already been said, so I won't bother to elaborate further unless inquired to do so... ------------------ |
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posted November 09, 2000 03:40 AM
