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Novice ![]() Posts: 2 |
We know that test suspension on a mg per mg basis contains more test than something like test enanthanate... how much actually test would be in 100mg(100mg/ml) of: 1.Suspension...100mg(we know this already due .....................to no ester) 2.Propionate...??? 3.Phenyl-propionate...??? 4.Cypionate...??? 5.Enanthanate...??? hope this wasnt too confusing. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1869 |
Huh ? The designation of any gear in a mg / ml indicates its strength. SO if you're asking if test prop @100mg/ml has more test than test eth @100mg/ml, the answer is that they're both rated as the same strength. No which one is more effective is a whole other story. BPP ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Pro Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 322 |
mg is basically the same a strengh.. Wow!! Now I'm a test expert ![]() [This message has been edited by harmonic (edited November 08, 2000).] ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Novice ![]() Posts: 2 |
Pappa...i disagree..when it says TESTOSTERONE ENANTHANATE 200MG/ML..they are counting the enanthanate ester in that 200mg..there is not 200mg of testosterone per ml! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Elite Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 914 |
BPP, Pittsburgh is correct--the longer the fatty acid chain in the ester, the less of the AAS in the compound. Free test (ie suspension) would have the most of the base molecule in it, as there is no ester attached. As for specific amounts, I don't know the exact figures, but there was a thread on Renegade devoted to this some months back--you might try a search there.. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Pro Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 420 |
Damn I feel like an ass contradicting you BPP, since usually you are right. This time though, I gotta agree with Pitts and truth. There is a link around elite here that gives the weight of the various esters. Peace! ------------------ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Pro Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 563 |
I only know one of the esters. Enanthate ester takes up 28mg per 100. This info is stated in the test supension section of Anabolics 2000. So there is more raw test in the shorter acting esters. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Elite Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 708 |
I believe this link will assist..... http://www.steraloids.com/trivindx.html ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Pro Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 479 |
Propionate = 84mg of test/100mg Cypionate = 70mg of test/100mg Enanthate = 72mg of test/100mg Phenylpropionate = 66mg of test/100mg ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1869 |
I still don't understand the question ! BPP ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 104 |
Big Papa-- In any esterified compound such as most injectable anabolics (except suspensions)the ester is part of the molecule...ie. Test enanthate is a base of testosterone esterified with the medium-length enanthate chain that yields the desired half-life of the compound approximately 5-7 days. The longer the chain the longer the half-life. Acetate and prop are short and fast acting, enan, cyp, medium, decanoate, undecyclenate a bit longer and thus longer half-life. When a vial says 100mg of Test enan. it is 100mg of that molecule and the enanthate ester comprises a portion (28%) of that molecule so of the 100mg of T enan only 72mg are testosterone. In suspensions where there is no ester 100mg is 100mg so really if you do 1 gram/week enanthate it is technically 720 grams of test, whereas propionate being a smaller chain ester is about 840 and suspension would be a full 1000mg...it can become a somewhat substantial difference. Of course not all product have what they claim anyway..T200 is supposed to be 200mg/ml T enan, but usually runs between 150-175mg/ml and so one should take that into account there. The shit is also underdosed in total mls usually averaging like 8.5 mls. Comprende??? later [This message has been edited by instynct999 (edited November 10, 2000).] ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Pro Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 478 |
I think the important thing is the anabolic effect involved. A long chain ester has a higher degree of anabolic effect than a short chain ester. Sometimes not by much, sometimes by a lot, and thats what matters! The longer the substance is active in the body, the greater the degree of anabolism you can get from it. If 100mg of suspension shoots through your system like lightning, and you arent able to grab every molecule of it and fasten it to a receptor, then you arent utilize the entire dosage. But if you use a long chain ester like undeconate (11 carbons), then its in your system longer and youre able to utilizre it more completly by giving your body time to grab every available molecule floating around. Using nandralone as an example, a proprionate ester (with 3 carbons) would break down fairly quick and clear the body with an anabolic versus androgenic rating of 10:1. But an undeconate (11 carbons) would hang on and would have a ratio of 32:1! So in some ways this is a slap in the face to the "Test is Test" theory. test IS test, but deesterification makes some a little different, I guess it depends on what your specific goals are... ------------------ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Pro Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 479 |
MONSTER. I am confused by your post. Where did you get this anabolic/androgenic ratio for nandrolone esters: "Using nandralone as an example, a proprionate ester (with 3 carbons) would break down fairly quick and clear the body with an anabolic versus androgenic rating of 10:1. But an undeconate (11 carbons) would hang on and would have a ratio of 32:1!" Using testosterone as the base drug, all references show that the ratio remains 1:1 no matter the ester, or non-ester, even methyltest remains 1:1. This shows that it is the base not the ester that is what is relevant. In the case of short vs. long esters, you change the pharmacokinetics, since short esters are released faster and therefore excreted faster. This however does not affect it's potency, since one compensates for this rapid excretion with more frequent administrations. In reality, you get higher peak levels with equivalent concentrations, i.e. 200mg of test. propionate should give higher peak levels in the body than 200mg of enanthate, only prop will be removed at a faster rate, thus the need for earlier injections. For better blood levels, the long acting esters should have a high loading dose, followed by lower weekly or twice weekly injections. ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 295 |
Pittsburgh - actually you are correct. The ester weight must be taken into account. It is not; however, enough to worry about. ------------------ The moral? It doesn't matter whether you are a lion or a gazelle, when the sun comes up - you had better be running. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 291 |
www.elitefitness.com/articles/esters.html ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Pro Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 478 |
Cockdezl: Opps, I didnt check this post, so I didnt see your reply... my bad... Well, the ratios come from the United States Pharmacopiel Convention, USP: Drug Information for the HEalth Care Proffesional. But the ester IS relevant in a lot of ways! A long chain ester is more lipophilic (meaning a higher partition coefficient) and is going to be absorbed preferentially by a lipohilic organ (skeletal muscle). Whereas a short chain ester will still go to skeletal muscle, but will also adhere to less lipophilic organs (skin, prostate and such). ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 149 |
Monster, I'm not sure if you got it quite right. The ester has no effect on how long a receptor has a chance to use a steroid. The longer ethnate molecule will not persist in blood for more time then the shorter acetate molecule. The ester has the sole effect of delaying the time the molecule stays dissolved in oil. Once an ethenate or any ester is out of oil and in blood, an enzime removes the ester within minutes and until then the steroid is inert. This is why trenbalone acetate taken by dmso needs to be done twice/day while if you inject it with oil eod works well. If one had laurabolin powder and wished to use it with dmso, it would need to be applied twice/day as well. The steroid esters of all types persist in blood for only a few minutes before the ester is gone and the steroid becomes active.It is then absorbed by tissue or deactivated in the liver in about an hour. While still disolved in oil the ester is protected and the steroid inactive. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Pro Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 479 |
SMOOT, you took the words out of my mouth. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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