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Dr.Atlas

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Posts: 413
From:Grand Rapids, MI USA
Registered: Feb 2000

posted November 08, 2000 07:45 AM

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I've designed a cycle for a friend. It is set to start January 1st.
Week___EQ___ARA___T3___Clomid___
1_____400___500___50ed___
2_____400___500___50ed___
3_____400___500___50ed___
4_____400___500___50ed___
5_____400___500___
6_____400___500___
7_____300___500___
8_____300___500___
9_____300___500___50ed___
10____300___500___50ed___
11____200_________50ed___
12____200_________50ed___
13______________________50ed
14______________________50ed
15______________________50ed
16______________________50ed
17
18
19
20___EQ___Fina___T3___Winny__Clomid___
21___400__75ed___50ed______________
22___400__75ed___50ed______________
23___300__75ed___50ed______________
24___300__75ed___50ed______________
25___300__75ed_____________________
26___300_______________50ed
27___300_______________50ed
28___300_______________50ed
29___200_________50ed__50ed
30___200_________50ed__50ed
31_______________50ed________50ed
32_______________50ed________50ed
33___________________________50ed
34___________________________50ed
35
This is for a friend who has never used AS before. He weighs 190 at 12%, 6'0.
What I like about these cycles? For starters, the price.
7 vials Ultragan @ 53= 371
2 vials Aratest @ 55= 110
5 grams powdered Winny= 200 (with lots of leftovers)
1 Fina cartridge and kit= 70 (lots of leftovers)
4 boxes clomid = 40 (with leftovers)
2 boxes nolvadex = 30 (with leftovers)
4 boxes T3 = 40 (with leftovers)
100 needles = 24 (with leftovers)
Renting mailbox, miscellaneous etc = 35
Total= $920
Might add some powdered arimidex, yohimbine, and this doesn't figure in ECA or food, but you get the point.
With the bulk cycle starting Jan 1, the second (cut) cycle starts late May. Good enough timing.
I like the mass potential of the first cycle. Hell, I think EQ is pretty cool. I am unsure about relying on EQ this much, but friends of mine do just fine.
I don't like the only 8 week gap between cycles, but he hasn't done AS yet and he can take a nice long break after.
The T3 should help offset excessive fat gain during bulking, while still allowing serious muscle growth. I liked the 4-on 4-off suggestion.
Please nobody email me and ask where one can buy anything mentioned above. I am not and never have been a source.
For those unfamiliar with why T3 is getting involved with this can use the following links to find the pieces of the puzzle. https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/036380.html http://www.mesomorphosis.com/exclusive/haycock/growth-factors.htm
I'd like to hear what you think about it. Stay huge bros. Peace!

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Deppnade

Amateur Bodybuilder

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From:smithtown, ny 11787
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posted November 08, 2000 07:49 AM

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why not throw in some dbol weeks 1-5??


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Dr.Atlas

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From:Grand Rapids, MI USA
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posted November 08, 2000 07:52 AM

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A possibility, but that would cause more bloat and use of antiestrogens. Good thought Deppnade. Peace!

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Beezers

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posted November 08, 2000 08:05 AM

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Very nice!

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Dr.Atlas

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From:Grand Rapids, MI USA
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posted November 08, 2000 12:17 PM

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Bulking Macronutrient Profile
5100 cal
420 g CHO = 1680 cal 32.9%
414 g PRO = 1656 cal 32.5%
196 g FAT = 1764 cal 34.6%

These are divided into 6 �A� meals consisting of 70g CHO, 46g PRO, and 28, FAT. These are accompanied by 2 �B� meals consisting of 46g PRO, and one �B+� which includes 28g FAT with the 46g PRO. These will be eaten on the following schedule:
6 A
7
8 A
9
10 A
11
12 A
1
2 B
3
4 A
5
6 B
7
8 A
9
10 B+

Such regular and uniform meals will be accomplished using my homemade MRP shakes. Ooops, I mean my friends homemade MRP shakes. These consist of honey, whey, soy isolate, mashed potatoes, wheat germ, and soy lethicin. Extra fat comes from a shot glass full of peanut, olive, flax oil etc. A shake may be replaced by �real� food so long as it meets or exceeds the caloric requirements.
The fat is so high for a couple of reasons. For starters, fat, not CHO, is anabolic. There is no danger of stunting growth at 420g of CHO anyway. Thirdly, it is just much easier to get in those calories as fat.
The CHO are tapered at night since high glucose levels at night decrease GH release. At 46g PRO every 2 hours, potential uptake is maximized and there can be no doubt of sufficient PRO levels.
A mixture of light-medium �pumping� exercises and heavy exercises (both compound and isolation) will be performed in the afternoon or evening.

Cutting Macronutrient Profile
2634 cal
200g CHO= 800 cal 30.4%
256g PRO= 1024 cal 38.9%
90g FAT= 810 cal 30.8%

These are divided into 5 �C� meals consisting of 40g CHO, 32g PRO, and 15g FAT. These are accompanied by 2 �D� meals consisting of 32g PRO and one �D+� meal consisting of 32g PRO and 15g FAT. These will be eaten according to the following schedule.
6 Yohimbine
7
8 C
9 ECA
10 C
11
12 C ECA
1
2 D
3 ECA
4 C
5
6 D
7
8 C
9
10 D+

This allows the yohimbine to do its thing without conflict with insulin. Heavy compound exercises will be performed early (6-7 AM) in the morning.
32g PRO every 2 hours after waking will prevent deficiencies while optimizing absorbtion and utilization.
For both cycles, some �Gamma� help might be needed to sleep.

In between cycles, some cyclic ketogenics along with regular aerobic exercise is under consideration. My friend has always done well on CKDs, losing 2.25 lbs FAT while gaining .25 lbs muscle per week for 4 consecutive week-long cycles (according to underwater body composition analysis).

Keep the critiques coming. Peace!

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Tomo

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posted November 08, 2000 05:06 PM

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I ALLWAYS READ DR ATLAS STUFF BECAUSE ITS WELL THOUGHT OUT- HOPE YOU DONT MIND IF I STEAL THIS FOR MYSELF- IM HOPING TO BE BACK UP AND READY BE LATE DEC-TOMO


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Badkins21

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posted November 08, 2000 05:20 PM

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I really don't think I have enough experience to critique you too much, considering your obvious experience, research, and thoroughness (sp.?)...I have to say that that is the most detailed cycle/diet plan I have seen on this board--EVER! Best of luck with it, I hope you put on about 30-40 pounds of muscle when all is said and done!!!

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Krusher

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posted November 08, 2000 05:30 PM

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Dr A, I'm gonna use t3 next week first time so I don't really have much experience with it, but I don't see the need for so much t3 in this cycle. When I first read the cycle I figured it was designed for
somebody with really high bf%. How about dropping the t3 in the bulking phase where it may be detrimental to gains and using clen
when the bulk phase is completed..this way the clen should get rid of any fat which was accumualted during the cycle and act as somewhat of a bridge until the cutting phase..let me know your thoughts, thanks.


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Dr.Atlas

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posted November 08, 2000 05:59 PM

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I'm considering T3 for a few reasons. One is that "my friend" would not like to gain too much fat off the bulk cycle. Second, recent findings indicate T3 may be anabolic since T3 levels drop sharply on-cycle and limit the amount of metabolism (anabolism+catabolism) that can occur. T3, as I'm sure you know, is not so much a specific fat-burner but an accelerator of metabolism. It has links to natural GH and IGF-1 production that made this seem like a good choice. It also seems to have anabolic effects when used PROPERLY (just had to yell before people decided to drop everything and eat T3) with a high-calorie diet. I'm not saying I'm right, just that I think I am ;-) Thirdly, the amount I propose does not seem all that much, especially with all the bros anouncing that they take 100mcg for longer periods of time without ill effect. Of course, bodybuilders used to eat dessicated liver tablets... but still, I'm willing to try this.
Links to what I used to draw these conclusions are given above. Thanks for the input. Peace!

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baza

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posted November 08, 2000 06:49 PM

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I don't like the cycle, but that is mainly because I stick to the basic 6-10 weeks cycle, and would never let anyone go on like that. Not flaming you, just saying I don't believe in that, and other people have different opinions.


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b fold the truth

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posted November 08, 2000 07:59 PM

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Wow!!! Nice cycle. I copied everything down for future reference. If I ever get an astounding source with great prices, maybe I too will try that one day. Till then, I will settle for weighing around 290.

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ManOSteele

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posted November 08, 2000 08:13 PM

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Well I have a good source...I can get everything except fina...but I like sticking to the 12 week cycles to be safe...But I usually take less of a break...like half of the cycle time off...Good cycle though!!!!

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b fold the truth

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posted November 08, 2000 08:15 PM

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One does not need a source to get fina. Why can you not just order it?

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Maverik

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posted November 08, 2000 08:19 PM

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Krusher, Dr A is right on about the effects of T3. Also, its safety is being documented more, so I might start incorporating it into all of my cycles.


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Dr.Atlas

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posted November 08, 2000 09:48 PM

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Hmmmm. There seems to be a little confusion about this. These are two seperate cycles, a 12 week bulking seperated 8 weeks from a 10 week cutting.
LOL nice sarcasm B fold!
I dig the constructive criticism. Peace!

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