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 GH for the first time
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Novice 
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I am going to try GH for the first time. I get so many mixed opinions tho. Is there a right way? A best way? Or more opinons? I want to hear them all. I am a small bodybuilder, 5'4, 190# about 10% I've competed nationally, I know how to eat and train. Here's a mix of what I was told to do and what I was planning along with, please please help. In accompanyment I was thinking about soing a "grammabol" type cycle. I would use a mix of omnadren and enthanate, week 2 I would use this mixup to 800 mg, the other 200mg was thinking about using some Winny V. Week 3 I would start the GH, also adding an Anadrol to the mix. I was told first week take GH 3 times a day, morning, before train, before bed. 6IU total. After first week just take on training days. Plan to use the GH for 4-8 weeks and sta on juice for about 12 weeks then taper down for 2 weeks, using clomid the whole time as suggested. Some ppl say that's too much GH, my other friend says any less is a waste. What do you think? How about in terms of safety? Some say you must take insulin, others say no? What do you think? If so any specific amount? How often? (I have used insulin before so I know how to eat and use in terms of safety. What I was doing was 7-10days straight, 2X7-11 IU a day, then on training days 10 IU in Am and 10 IU after I train.) Thanks for your help, I am eager to get going but wanna be sure to do it right.     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 904 |
6-8 weeks too much for GH? You are kidding me, you have to use it a minimum of three months to see anything. I am in week 10 of a GH, cyp, prop, deca, and primo cycle. I am using Insulin along with it. You need insulin, or you will not be recouping the best use of GH. 3times a day? I think not, I have used it once daily, twice daily, three times daily and I have to tell you, it makes no difference. For now, I use it right after awaking on an empty stomach with my insulin and at night before bed. Just a mental thing. I would rule out using Anadrol with it though, remember you are counting on GH and insulin to stimulate the production of IGF1 (sp) from the liver. Try not to over abuse that liver, you want it healthy to process GH like it should. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 409 |
i did the math for your gh(i.u) intake daily: your weight 190lb ^ 85.5kg,there for your weekly intake should be:42.75(i.u). gh is taken 6 days on 1 day off there for your daily intake is:7.125(i.u). also the best way is to divaid it to two intakes daily at 12 hours gap between the two that :3.5625(i.u) per injection (twice a day 12 hours gap between the two). as for the insulin the gh "want do the job" without it , it simply WANT BE AFFAACTIVE. the insulin you have to take 60-64min after the gh has been taken. i would also recomend to use some t3 with it now the best way is to take t3 while on gh is to do a thiyroid check to establish normal t3 levels in your body,while you are on the gh to do it agin(thiyroid check)and to suplemant the missing (natural) t3 with t3 pills. pardon my spelling. GET BIG. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 122 |
add a little T3 to it too bro. hehehe | ||
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Novice
Posts: 7 |
So you say no Anadrol? The 800mgs of various testes will provide enough androgens then you figure? I am sorry if I seem so nieve here, but I am. Trying to do my homework so if there are places I should look, search or read, please let me know and I won't waste your time. Also to the other guy where did that calculation come from and why?? I've also heard T3 should be incorporated, but why would you use the T3 while in offseason? I thought this would only be when using gh for precontest. 6 days on 1 off throughout cycle? Why? So six days on with the insulin as well?? | ||
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Novice
Posts: 7 |
Need more input, anyone?? | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 31 |
Bump.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 904 |
I have not used T3 in my cycle, actually never used it before at all. But I do know that GH works with the insulin very well, I see it everyday. 7ius is pretty high to start with in my book, I started at 2 and went up to 6, leveling off at 4. At 6ius, my wrist and fingers were stiff and sore, a sure sign you need to back off immediately. all the test will provide enough for you, I would substitute something else in place of the anadrol. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 904 |
try adding about 50mg winny everyday or about 200mg-300mg primo a week. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 345 |
Bump | ||
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Novice
Posts: 7 |
so is the consensus take all the gh before bed? or split it am and pm? And I assume if your using insulin u must be taking the gh in the morning and insulin 60 min later? this makes sense with the 2 hr gh spikes and of course you couldn't take the insulin before bed. How much insulin? This is kinda different for everyone I think but curious what ppl have been doing. Anyone ever have any probs with insulin resistence afterwards? Or diabetes? I just curious how much of a concern that really is, different ppl have different answers. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 7 |
Any more thoughts? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 289 |
Read and print all 3-pages of HGH at: www.anabolicreview.com/human.htm alot of info, might help some. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 904 |
I am using no more than 20iu of insulin per day. 10 in the morning AM, 10 after working out. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 7 |
Jae, are you taking all your gh in the AM or PM or are you splitting at different times? | ||
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Novice
Posts: 4 |
This is my experiense: If you hve the money and the GH U should take it every 6-8:th hour for maximum effect. 2-4iu/s.c. inj. But i've noticed effects on 2iu a day. There is a chance of not utilizing the extra units above 4 so I wouldn't do more. The anabolic/lipolytic effects aren't following a proportional rate upwards and that sez it all. Regarding instant effects: People always report to me, they feel 2units the day after their first workout on GH if it's good and fresh GH (I always use swedish GenoTropin, and it KICKS ASS!!!). If you are to take GH for the first time you may produce more Insulin than normally for a short period (couple of weeks). There is a possible chance of getting hypoglycemic (not dangerously low though) this way. This is one of GH sideeffects. Increased Insulin secretion is good thoug, 'coz GH actually lowers our carb-metabolism (and increases protein and fat metabolism that's why we grow bigger and get ripped) so the insulin here is more than welcome. You don�t have to do it though, but chances are you will loose much of your gains when you come off gear. Anyway, since your carb-metabolism is lowered you can get good use of the insulin you have. GH will start expanding your musclecell after inj. but after a while your body stops releasing that much Insulin and you cannot store nutrients inside your cells as effective as you would do with endogen Insulin... so... shoot, with your weight in mind, say 12-14 iu approx of insulin (fastest acting LysPro-insulin eg Humalog) immediately after your workouts. After that you ingest a prot-shake immediately containing 50g protein, 15g Glutamine, 10g Creatine, 100g carbs, eg. Maltodextrines). Glut. and Crea. to breakfast as well. The formula says 10g of carbs per unit of insulin, but we�ve noticed better effects with only 7-8g carbs (due to GH). The amount of insulin can be calculated more exactly with your workout in mind, how much glucogen you just depleted and how much room there is for more glycogen inside your muscles. U can take a 1000mg long-time-released Potassium tab twice daily. Double your B-vit intake through the day with your meals, don�t take to much B6 though, it may have negative effects on lipolysis. B12 my give you more acne. You can try 2oz of Glycerine with every glutaminedose if you want extra pressure. GH is supposed to be timed so you either use the serum-peak for regeneration or for lipolysis. Since you�re about to take GH three times daily you can accomplish this more than well I guess. Last injection should be taken 5-10minutes before bed with the above mentioned Prot-shake. NO INSULIN HERE, and you know this� Potassium tab here as well. (An extrafeature would be to wake up in the middle of the night, 4h after GHinjection for another protshake as the one you took before bedtime.) Try timing your active part of day on the third hour of every GH-inj. Keep that (lowintence aerobic) activity for an hour or two if you can. The second activity (2-3 hours after injection) will be your Heavy-Kick-Yates-ASS GYM-workout. Take 100 microg. T4, four times daily 45minutes after meals, not to late at night though. It�ll give you insomnia. Don't mess with T3. It's not nessesary since GH increases your t4 to t3 conversion (mythylxantines also does this). Hence, we can supply with more T4 and get more serumT3 and tremendous growth. Btw T4 is more SAFE compared to T3. No need to mess with T3 �coz we�ll get the T3 anyway but endogenously. Potassium should be taken morning and after workout (approx 12 hours apart). U can take Insulin in the morning also if you want. Since you�re in an anti-cortisol state you�ve probably not depleted your liver as much as you would normally but try 6-8 units Humalog (lysPro), 50g prot, wait �til your hands are shaky (15 min) then consume 70g carbs. Always have carbs along with U. You already know the risks, you told us. If you want to stay off GH and keep the size you �earned� before don�t stay off more than 4-6 weeks. After that you start to notice the loss of volume. Also try cutting down on the thyroids last couple of weeks. You can very effectively use GH to get your little testes to grow back and start producing endogen Test. This needs a total lack of exogenous test though. I don�t know why one should stay off it if it�s not for economical reasons, but on the same time I can�t see why one should do it all year round. I figure 2 months on/1month off is OK. Works for my guys� GH will make you metabolize your test faster, so you�ll need more Omnas (or whatever it was U had). You may have to double the dose. Winny won�t do U shit. Same as worthless fuckin� Andriol. I wonder if it would do anything to a neonatal even. Save your money for christ sake. Dump that shit. We�ve been trying GH, Insulin, Thyroids with Test and Deca for years and years and; it works soooo good, you�ll not want/need anything else (that we know of today). The key is; any androgen + GH,Insulin,T3 and precontest Dextran & Hespan). Take your anadrol pre-workout. Since GH increases osteoclast-activity it would be a good idea to take Deca (increases osteoblast activity) stack-along. I can�t see any reason to take more than 600-800mg Deca and 750-1000mg Test, but if you want,� try it out and mail me your story�
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Novice
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I just want to thnak everyone so far for their input it is very appreciated. More questions to come. |
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posted November 08, 2000 04:26 AM