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Drizzt8

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From:Menzoberanzan
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posted November 07, 2000 12:40 PM

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I was wondering if anyone could tell me of any sides or interactions between any ephedra-containing products and gear..Since gear often speeds up heart rate as does ephedra/Ma Huang, I don't want go into cardiac arrest during a leg workout! Thanks....


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The_Iron_Game

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posted November 07, 2000 12:45 PM

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From the replies to similar q's Ive seen on the board it is a no no. Some people do use the e/c/a stack and other fat burners in an attempt to give increased energy during training but it has been advised against. Surely a few tabs before training to increase intensity cant do all that much harm. Just monitor your heart. Generally save it for cutting


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chesty

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posted November 07, 2000 12:59 PM

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There is nothing wrong with using an E/C/A stack when dieting and using gear to get ready for a contest. In fact a popular routine would be to cycle the e/c/a and clen in two week intervals.

I used a cutting cycle like this, winstrol/eq/test/halo/clen/t3 and the e/c/a stack. My girlfriend also cycled clen and e/c/a with no problems either while using primo/deca.


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Twiggy

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posted November 07, 2000 01:13 PM

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I would be wary of using ECA in combination with strong androgens (Dbol, Anadrol,Test, etc) because of possible high blood pressure. The estrogen related water retention shoots the blood pressure up a bit, as does ECA... That's just a little too much for me to worry about personally. (But high blood pressure runs in my family, so whatever - it might not be bad for somebody else)


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chesty

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posted November 07, 2000 01:24 PM

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Yes high bp is something to consider, but given that almost anything we take raises our blood pressure. Test alone can do this, so combining it with say dbol or anadrol raises it further (maybe or maybe not) A person taking roids in the first place should be of optimum health to start with, or they may compound the problems they already have.

Really for those who do gear and drink soda or coffee and take asprin for headsaches and use nasal decongestints they are in essence getting a form of eca.

Just be careful with what you take at all times.


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Rugby

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posted November 07, 2000 01:27 PM

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I've used ECA with winny and eq... Great stack, gained 10lbs and lost 6% bodyfat... No problems at all with me


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cockdezl

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posted November 07, 2000 03:51 PM

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Normal use, say 75-100mg ephedrine per day, or 100-120mcg of clen for a short time, with steroids, is not problematic. But higher doses of adrenergics combined with thyroidal agents, like cytomel, can begin to increase the risk of cardiovascular damage.


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Tomo

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posted November 07, 2000 06:19 PM

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the combo makes it very hard for me to sleep-what happens is then i take something at night to crash and eca again in the morning to wake up. probably not the healthiest decision-tomo


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