A friend of mine mentioned using Winny at week 8 at 50 mg EOD for six weeks to harden up the muscle. Now will I need to start up my clomid at week 10 (two weeks after my last sust injections, and week two of my winny cycle)? or should I wait to use Clomid after my Winny cycle too.

Will the Winny help me retain the muscle I gained from my Sust cycle? I am thinking since it isnt as harsh on endogenous test. production, I can use it along with the clomid to solidify gains and then if i'm using clomid while on Winny I can bring back my natural test back to normal, plus using the anabolic properties of Winny to keep most of all the muscle I have gained so far. Therefore, (and please correct me if my logic is way off) when I get off the winny, My natural test will be already close to normal, and all the muscle (most of it) i have is here to stay. Any comments???

thanks

Here is what I would do:

1. Winny at 50 mg ed (more, if you want) in three or four divided doses through week 11 (the last Sust injection being on week 8.) Your HPT axis is inhibited anyway during this time, so why not make the most of it?

2. Weeks 12 and 13: Start the Clomid (600 mg the first day, then 100 mg per day, would be reasonable.) Switch to an AM-only schedule for Winny, at 10-15 mg immediately upon waking.

3. Weeks 14 and 15: Clomid 50 mg ed. Stop completely the AM Winny.

Is my logic correct when I assume the Winny will help me keep most of my gains along with the clomid? Am I also correct that Winny doesnt affect natural test production as bad as testosterone? Therefore, cant I slowly be bringing back my natural test production while I am using Winny during my post Sust cycle?

Thanks for your help

You are correct in that Stanozolol is somewhat milder in its HPTA-inhibitory properties than is testosterone, on a mg-for-mg basis. (Most AAS are.) However, it will still slow down or prevent your recovery, if you are not careful.

You can get away with AM-only Winny administration without really causing or prolonging inhibition, but only if you keep the dose very low (below 20 mg would be my best guess for a cut-off.) Anything above that, or taken later in the day, is likely to lead to trouble, Clomid or no Clomid.

However, if you use it right, and in combination with Clomid, it will help you to transition to normal HPT function in an orderly manner, thereby keeping the loin's share of your gains.

The trick is to use "lots" of Winny when there is still too much test in your system to allow for recovery. Then, once past that point, switch to using just a "tad" and only in the morning, to help keep catabolism at bay as your HPTA mounts a comeback.

So is this how i should go?

Week 8-11 50 mg everyday
Week 12-14 15 mg everyday plus clomid 100 mg everyday (did you say 600 mg clomid the first day???)

Remeber, though, that there is a high degree of individual variability to this stuff, so always be ready to adapt based on what your body is telling you. If you are doing it right, you should start seeing evidence of recovery (e.g., your testicles should begin to grow after about 10-14 days of Clomid.) Conversely, be on the lookout for signs of trouble, such as excessive tiredness or depression.

The plan I outlined would definitely work well for me (I have ended cycles in a similar way before,) and I suspect it will work for you, but there is no way to be 100% sure until you try it.