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 Good article on the safety of Thyroid drugs.
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This was posted by Freshr1 on the Canadian board. Check it out at: http://pub19.ezboard.com/fcanadiananaboliccanadiananabolic.showMessage?topicID=808.topic     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Thanks Mav... Good article!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Good post Mav. One thing it doesn't address, and which has always been my concern, is if exogenous thyoid hormone shuts down natural production with feedback. Any info on that would be most welcome. Stay huge. Peace! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Excellent...I was worried about using it in a cutting cycle, but now I feel better. But more info on it like Dr. Atlas said would make me feel even better.
[This message has been edited by Hoss (edited November 06, 2000).] | ||
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I have done research on T3 and thyroid shutdown before and I found it was pretty darn safe. But I didn't have much to back it up, just bits and pieces of info I had put together from different sources. Now I have a little more proof, thanks to my bro Freshr1. Enjoy fellas. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Hey Mav you are a bright brother, do me a favor and post response on https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/036365.html re: IGF-1. I'd appreciate some input. Peace! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
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So based upon this article you could supplement with low dose t-3 (say under 50 mcg a day)indefinately? | ||
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I would still recommend taking as much time on as off to let the thyroid normalize a little. A 4 weeks on/4 weeks off regimen would work great if doses were kept under 75 mcgs and proper tapering was done. You could probably do this indefinitely but I don't think I would personaaly want to. Low doses of T3 (according to the article) won't cause a decrease in lean body mass, but on the other hand, it is harder to gain muscle with a faster or sped up metabolism. So personally I would want to take off for a while to pack on some size. Nat that you can't put size on while on low dose T3, but it is gonna be that much harder. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Hmmm, article I just read following the thread on IGF-1 said that T3 while juicing should be anabolic, since thyroid levels drop while juicing, which has negative effects on optimal muscle growth. http://www.mesomorphosis.com/exclusive/haycock/growth-factors.htm is the link. I'm currently designing 2 cycles for the upcoming year for a friend, was thinking about incorporating T3 into both the bulk and cut. I'd appreciate your input after I post it. Peace! ------------------ | ||
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Yes, so far I have only used T3 for cutting, but I plan to use it at a low dose throughout an upcoming deca only cycle. I have some left over cynoplus which is a combo of 30 mcgs of T3 and 120 mcgs of T4 per tab. So I will take one half tab per day for the whole ten week cycle which would roughly be 15 mcgs of T3 and 60 mcgs of T4 per day. T4 is supposed to be around 1/4 the strength of T3, so using this basic math, each tab is about equivalent to 30 mcgs of T3. But in fact, it will be a little stronger than that due to the fact that there won't be much T4 converting to T3 and vice versa. I am on cynoplus right now going up a half tab every five days until I hit 2 tabs per day, and then back down I go. Then, if I want to hit it again, I will wait 5 weeks and then hit another little four week cynoplus cycle before I hit my deca cycle. I used to be a little leary about using T3 except for during cutting cycles but now I am starting to have more confidence in it's safety at low doses, so I might try it out while bulking. Hope it goes well. And keep me posted on those cycles you are designing, Dr Atlas. BTW, I would have responded to your thread about IGF-1 but I really didn't have a good answer. Looks like some other bros already helped you though.  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Week___EQ___ARA___T3___Clomid___ 1_____400___500___50ed___ 2_____400___500___50ed___ 3_____400___500___50ed___ 4_____400___500___50ed___ 5_____400___500___ 6_____400___500___ 7_____300___500___ 8_____300___500___ 9_____300___500___50ed___ 10____300___500___50ed___ 11____200_________50ed___ 12____200_________50ed___ 13______________________50ed 14______________________50ed 15______________________50ed 16______________________50ed 17 18 19 20___EQ___Fina___T3___Winny__Clomid___ 21___400__75ed___50ed______________ 22___400__75ed___50ed______________ 23___300__75ed___50ed______________ 24___300__75ed___50ed______________ 25___300__75ed_____________________ 26___300_______________50ed 27___300_______________50ed 28___300_______________50ed 29___200_________50ed__50ed 30___200_________50ed__50ed 31_______________50ed________50ed 32_______________50ed________50ed 33___________________________50ed 34___________________________50ed 35 This is for a friend who has never used AS before. He weighs 190 at 12%, 6'0. What I like about these cycles? For starters, the price. 7 vials Ultragan @ 53= 371 2 vials Aratest @ 55= 110 (5) gram(s) powdered Winny= 200 (with lots of leftovers) 1 Fina cartridge and kit= 70 4 boxes clomid = 40 2 boxes nolvadex = 30 4 boxes T3 = 40 100 needles = 24 Renting mailbox, miscellaneous etc = 35 Total= $920 Might add some powdered arimidex, yohimbine, and this doesn't figure in ECA or food, but you get the point. The bulk cycle will start Jan 1, making the second (cut) cycle late May. Good enough timing. I like the mass potential of the first cycle. Hell, I think EQ is pretty cool. I am unsure about relying on EQ this much, but friends of mine do just fine. I don't like the only 8 week gap between cycles, but he hasn't done AS yet and he can take a nice long break after. The T3 should help offset excessive fat gain during bulking, while still allowing serious muscle growth. I liked the 4-on 4-off suggestion. I might post this elsewhere, but now I gotta go. Stay huge bros. Peace!
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Looks nice! I wish my first two cycles would have been something like that. Let me know how he does with them. | ||
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BUMP | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Good info bro, thanks for sharing!!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Discussion over at X-mans about this. Under "Sometimes Elite Sucks Ass". There is some debate over dosages and cycle lengths. Hope the bro's don't mind me quoting them. GymRatSD Re: Sometimes Elite Sucks Ass Let's see here... 1. I'd up the test -- maybe to 750 mg/week. You'll get better results, and since most of the Ara-test is enanthate, you won't get bad sides from that much either. 2. I'd do to 5+ week taper up and down of the T3 -- it seems to be the general consensus to save your thyroid. It's what I did -- with decent results, though my diet was shitty at the time. Other than that, it looks like a very well planned out cycle. Good luck. BTW... I'm a former Spartan! Re: Sometimes Elite Sucks Ass 1 tab for 5 days 35 days total, or five weeks. You'll see some variations on this. The consensus is that you don't want to go above 100 mcg/day of T3. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
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Damn, this article really has me thinking about the idea of being on 25 to 50mcg indefinitely...that would be nice if there were no side effects besides faster metabolism. Danny | ||
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Guru
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Damn, I missed that one. Yes, I think tapering would be a pretty good idea at least for the first 4 days or so and the last 4 days. Then you could stay at 50 mcg for the other 20 days of the cycle. Then take 4 weeks off and repeat. Unless you are on a cutting cycle and want high doses of T3, this should be more than adequate. And Dr A, If those are 50mcg tabs, split them with a sharp knife and take a half tab morning and another half 10-12 hours later. But then again, according to the article, it doesn't mention a taper at all. If it were me, I would do it the first 4 days or so like I described at 25 mcg (or half tab) then take 50 mcg per day for 20 days and then taper down again to 25 mcg per day for the last 4 days. At least that is what I would do. |
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posted November 06, 2000 08:35 PM