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E2

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posted November 06, 2000 01:11 PM

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with hushmail!!!! Everyone this is all very simple to do, you should all start using pgp.
www.pgpi.org

go download the software, then BEFORE YOU INSTALL IT, go read
http://www.skuz.net/pgp4dummies/

It's extremely easy to use and can be used with any email client, even has some plugins for certain ones. I've been using it for years now, and it just amazes me why people don't use it!!!

Just go and do it, you'll never have to worry about hush crashing or people snooping or your messages being saved on some server somewhere. As well you can encypt your hard drive, files, icq messages etc etc etc.....

GO DO IT!!


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1911

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posted November 06, 2000 01:14 PM

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Agreed, I loaded it up awhile back. Problem is "others" won't do it (I don't fucking no why?).

Later,


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glazed_donutz

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posted November 06, 2000 01:14 PM

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thanks E2 i will try it i hate hushmail they need to call it junkmail


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Green

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posted November 06, 2000 01:18 PM

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AMEN to that!


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Code

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posted November 06, 2000 01:27 PM

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Actually PGP is a poor excuse for encryption. If you are concerned that you're e-mail could lead to a conviction pgp is the last thing you should be using. Verisign (or any certification authority) offers public/private key encryption with their digital certificate packages. These key sets and key pairs are from a stronger algorithms that will buy you considerably more time than PGP.
The downside is that certifcates are not free.


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ulter

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posted November 06, 2000 01:28 PM

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I agree with E2. It is easy to use. I use it with all my closest Canadian friends that are 6'1" 240 and over. It really works great.


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Scooter

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posted November 06, 2000 01:43 PM

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Do any of you think that using encrypted email will draw attention to that email if someone is snooping.

In other words, might an email address get flagged and all emails (encrypted) get snooped/copied. You could have someone snooping all your emails just BECAUSE they are encrypted. In other words "if you encypt your email you must be doing something illicit", so snopp it. At some point they might have enough emails and decide to break the encryption (if they assume the same keys are used for more than one email)


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ulter

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posted November 06, 2000 01:53 PM

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None of the encryption methods are going to stop Law Enforcement from intercepting your email and decoding it. But they need a warrant and probable cause or they are commiting a felony themselves. I think pgp is great for keeping the prying eyes of say your ISP system admin from reading at them. Or if someone picks one off a router somewhere.


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E2

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posted November 06, 2000 01:59 PM

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Code if you set up your pgp key according to the directions on the pgp4dummies website using a 4096 bit encyption etc.. it's a very strong secure excryption, as well make your passphrase as long and complicated as possible, mine is extremely long, let's just say it takes me over a minute to type it in.

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Badkins21

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posted November 06, 2000 02:15 PM

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Thanks, bro, I'm about to do it...

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posted November 06, 2000 02:25 PM

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Hahaha! E2, ok, so you got me there man! Although key length means little if the algorithm is weak. But it's a damn good deterent.


To answer some other comments. Since many people use encrypted forms of communication (SSL, SSH, SCP etc) it's unlikely you'd get snagged simply for transmitting in a secure mode (afterall millions of people use SSL). It's more likely that you have attracted the attention of law enforcement and they are snooping your lines rather than they are snooping your lines and then they get interested.

Any questions can be thrown at my e-mail on the profile.

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E2

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posted November 06, 2000 02:36 PM

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Code you're right, but we all have to admit that anything can be cracked and i don't really think hushmail is that secure, well pgp in my eyes is a better option, less hassel and you can use it on any email client.

Thanks for your input!

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tri~zilla

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posted November 06, 2000 02:45 PM

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i think being E-2 and being as big as he is on this board is attention grabbing all ready. he might as well pgp, because if someone wants to start snooping who do you think they'll want?


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posted November 06, 2000 02:47 PM

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True, anything can be hacked.

PGP is simple to use and free. So it's a good option.

You never know who is snagging packets from your machine.

It's best to err on the side of paranoia.

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code:
#!/usr/bin/perl
use IO::Socket;
my ($line, $port, $sock, @servers);
my $VERSION='1.0';

($server = $ARGV[0]) | | &usage;
$begin = ($ARGV[1] | | 0);

for ($port=$begin;$port<=65000;$port++) {
$sock = IO::Socket::INET->new(PeerAddr => $server,
PeerPort => $port,
Proto => 'tcp');
if ($sock) {
print "Connected on port $port\n";
} else {
# print "$port failed\n";
}
} # End for

sub usage {
print "Usage: portscan hostname [start at port number]\n";
exit(0);
}

=head1 NAME

portscan - Scans a host on TCP ports to determine what is listening

=head1 DESCRIPTION


=head1 PREREQUISITE

uses IO::Socket

=head1 COREQUISITE

None

=head1 README


=pod OSNAMES

MSWin32, Unix

=pod SCRIPT CATEGORIES

Networking

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E2

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posted November 06, 2000 03:01 PM

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Just for all you guys, remember that generating a 4096 bit key will take quite a while, sometimes 1/2 hour or so. Takes me about 15 mins on my computer.

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posted November 06, 2000 03:32 PM

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Good point E2. Key generation, by it's very nature, is processor consuming. Since you are in essence creating a key pair that cannot be mathematically decoded by a computer.

Although it is just multiplication, so you'd think it wouldn't take that long.

BTW, a dual PIII 800 takes just under 2 minutes for 4096b encryption.


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Twisted_Steel

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posted November 06, 2000 04:37 PM

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Gentlemen, I suggest you appropriate this software and learn to use it. Many of us will no longer discuss these issues without the appropriate premptive security measures.

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E2

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posted November 06, 2000 04:48 PM

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Code you're right, i'm running my little dual PII 333, i know i need to upgrade, but i'm still holding on while i can, soon i'll be useless.

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RideHard

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posted November 06, 2000 08:29 PM

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A bump for E2.
I am downloading it right now cause he's been kind enough to respond to me my email's from my hush account. If this makes it easier for E2, then enough said...

Go Big-


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Checkmatebloated

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posted November 06, 2000 08:39 PM

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I have never had a problem with Hushmail, except for one time when they were upgrading.


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chesty

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posted November 06, 2000 08:43 PM

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I downloaded it a while ago, but it didn't tell me what to do next. So, maybe I will figure it out tonight.


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freshr1

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Encryption isn't the only problem guys. IF you ever get busted, you can bet that they will also take your computer away, where all the unencyrpted email sits. So they'll load up your comp and can read your mail just like you can. Not only that, but they'll also be able to see who emailed you what and when.

With hushmail (or any other web-based email), the mail isnt stored locally on your computer. So even when the feds take your PC, then there's nothing on it!

If you're gonna be paranoid and use PGP to begin with, might as well do it right and use hushmail/lipzip/whatever.

my $0.02


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E2

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posted November 06, 2000 08:59 PM

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fresh you're wrong, they won't be able to read you encrypted emails, because the stay encypted on your computer!!! You only can read them be decrypting them with your passphrase and then you can only read them in the pgp window, once you close it, the message is still encrypted.

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posted November 06, 2000 09:14 PM

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E2 -- true, but if your computer is confiscated and you go to court, law enforcement might ask for you to give up the key. Some argue this is in violation of the right against self-incrimination, but there is not enough law cases out there to establish a precedence yet.

In either case, I've worked with several encryption companies that had former NSA mathematicians on staff, and the consensus is that a 4096 PGP key would probably take the government a couple of weeks to crack. It's actually a pretty highly regarded program. The only problem is that since it is distributed freely, there is no way of knowing whether Big Brother put out it's own identical version, with a hidden "backdoor" in it.

Bottom line, if if you are "big" enough for them to want to get you, they'll get you. But why make it easy for them?


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BIG RICK ROCK

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posted November 06, 2000 09:33 PM

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They are watching, I'm not fucking joking neither, I just came back from the gym, I was there wearing my Elite Fitness T-shirt...

well to make a long story short, a person who works as a consultant for the FBI told me that the FBI has 900 agents on a internet task force, and Our site is one of the top monitored sites.
they are watching right now they are reading this message and wondering who I am and who I spoke to.
this shit is fucking insane, I'm down loading this shit right now.


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LittleSavage34

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posted November 06, 2000 09:43 PM

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BUMP...PGP is a great tool. A person can download it free at:
http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html

Knock yourself out


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Tomo

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posted November 06, 2000 10:49 PM

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thanks e2- ive been making a big mistake using the regular browser e-mail. im getting it right this time.-tomo


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The_Natural

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posted November 06, 2000 10:58 PM

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just b/c your paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching. lol

what about ziplip encryption and having a one day expiration on the mail?


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musclegear

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posted November 06, 2000 11:21 PM

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I tried the PGP thing last year and I couldn't even begin to figure it out. Hopefully that PGP for dummies thing will work for me! I'm running a cable modem, 550mhz PIII processor, 512 Meg of RHM, and I have absolutely no problem with hushmail.


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superdave

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posted November 06, 2000 11:28 PM

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Big Rick Rock, are you fuckin serious?

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E2

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posted November 07, 2000 12:10 AM

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YES BIG RICK IS SERIOUS, IF YOU THINK THAT THEY ARE NOT WATCHING THIS BOARD THEN YOU'RE DILUSSIONAL, THINK ABOUT IT, ANY SEARCH YOU DO FOR STEROIDS OR THE LIKE WILL GIVE YOU ELITEFITNESS.COM , YES THEY'RE ON HERE AND I'VE SEARCHED SEVERAL IP AND HAVE COME UP WITH SOME INTERESTING RESULTS, THEY ARE HERE, BUT THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN HERE, JUST BE CAREFUL.

MUSCLEGEAR IF YOU HAVE PROBS EMAIL ME.

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Bubba

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posted November 07, 2000 01:23 AM

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Locks are for honest people.


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BIG RICK ROCK

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posted November 07, 2000 11:12 AM

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Like I said earlyer just talking about it puts me at danger of being looked into.

The person I spoke to is a good guy I know he is a regular joe (seems to be) and I have seen him around the gym, when he seen my t-shirt he approached me and disclosed the fact that he "moon lights" as an FBI consultant, I know this is true because on different ocasions I've seen him wear an FBI hat, and the towel he uses to shower has their shield on it aswell.
all i'm saying is that if I ever get raided or arrested or anything of the sort I have left instructions for people to come to this board and post a warning to the rest of my bros, I have nothing at my house there is no reason for me to get arrested, but you never know, when the FBI wants to get you they will, just look at Animal. And the fact that our name (mods) is at the top of the page that makes us even more of a target.

On a good note, he did tell me that Most of the FBI's internet resources are geared towards counter terrorism, hackers breaking into Government computers and Terrorist trying to obtain launch codes to missiles and such, He also said that some of the guys on the force Juice and he even asked me a couple of questions regarding what AS does what and how he can prevent bitch tits.

I don't know maybe I'm being paranoid, but I don't see why the FBI would have to come after us, I could say that ALL of our bros here are "proffesionals" of some sort, I havent heard of the first person who broke into a house or stole a car to finance a steroid cycle. We pay taxes and work honest 9-5 to make enought money to feed our familys and run a couple of cycles per year, we are not hurting anybody, just trying to improve our selves.

time will tell.


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2legit2quit

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posted November 07, 2000 11:47 AM

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Good point Rick. And thanks E2 for bringing this to our attention. I'm certainly going to download it as soon as possible. I've been dissapointed by hushmail all too often.


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DREXX

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posted November 07, 2000 11:59 AM

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I had pgp installed on my pc for the last 6 months and only one guy I dealt with was using it.

Since no one was using it I uninstalled it last week..

Damn I guess I will have to put it back on there.

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posted November 07, 2000 12:02 PM

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PGP 4096b would not take a week. Without the key (or partial key set) it would several weeks.

I know this because I used to write algorithms for the national security agency.

But the consensus here is obvious:
not knowing how to use/download pgp (or any X.509 standard) is no excuse.

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posted November 07, 2000 02:08 PM

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Code --

I agree with you. I never said a week -- I said a couple of weeks. Though isn't the official line "about a year"? Maybe to make people feel more at ease.

What blows my mind is the new encryption theories that use physics, where you can have a key that is a particle existing in two physical places simultaneously. From the reports I've seen, this would be unbreakable, period. Too complex and too far off in the future for us average joes to even think about, but it's cool to see what possiblities the future holds.


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posted November 07, 2000 04:00 PM

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bump


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We all know my past, and I can tell you withouth a doubt that they are collecting info on everyone here everyday. Remember, that a lot of agents/leo's are hypocrites too, so they will think nothing of burning one of us or more.

I missed what happened to animal. What did happen?


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posted November 07, 2000 04:55 PM

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Stalker:
It gets better than that. Diffie (the first half of the team that developed the D-H cryptosystems) is working on a system that is based off genetics!


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