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 SHORT CYCLES
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 35 |
hey guys i have a chance to get some winstrola test propinate. how would this work in the 2 0n 4 off cycle. also how should i dose it? also is there something ese i should use instead of this combo. if you think this is a good cycle the hook me up with the correct dosage. im not looking for immediate huge gains. i would rather experience slow solid gains hence the short cycle. thanks    | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 39 |
TP and Winny will work nicely. Here is what I would do: Day-------TP-------Winny-----Clomid Remember: 1. Take the Winny in divided doses, throughout the day, through day 13. Preferrably, dose no fewer than three times per day (and four would be even better.) Starting with day 14, take all 15 mg all at once, immediately upon waking, in the morning. 2. You will likely need to use supporting anti-estrogen medication. Arimidex is best, but expensive. If you can afford Arimidex, take one 1 mg tablet per day throughout the first two weeks. If not, you can try starting the Clomid on day 1 of the cycle (600 mg; 100 mg per day thereafter.) Have some extra on hand (or some Nolvadex,) in case you need it. Good luck.  | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 35 |
do you think ill need clomid? since i wot be on that long. give me some more input guys. how much do yo think i should have to pay for this cycle. just want to check it out with more experinced fellows. thanks | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 39 |
Sure, definitely use the Clomid. Just because it is a short cycle, doesn't mean you don't have to worry about HPT axis recovery. It just makes it easier/faster. Clomid is cheap (approx. $1 or less per 50 mg) and otherwise harmless, so my suggestion is always to err on the side of "too much, too long" with this agent. As for cost... That depends largely on your connections. The Clomid and TP are cheap, in any case; only the Winny is expensive (let's not even talk about the price of Arimidex!) I am not particularly well-connected, but could get the cycle I suggested above together for about $250 with Clomid only, or $400 with Arimidex. You are likely to be able to do better than those prices. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 156 |
 Short cycles are a waste of time. Test levels do not have time to build to optimum levels in a short cycle. ~Goku~ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 35 |
iv done some research on the subject and have found that you could gain 3-5 lbs and not completely shut daown your system, which is a plus, but people dont understand a short cycle. some use sustanon and other long lasting as. any other info would be greatly apprecicated. any one else have any suggestions on dosages | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 2123 |
Short cycles ARE NOT a waste of time. Doing short cycles is actually the safest and most effective thing you can do. By not shutting down natural test production, you retain almost all of you gains and you don't mess with your natural hormonal axis. Befor my hair started thinning, what I was gonna do was 150 mg of fina EOD and 50 mg of dbol daily for 14 days. Clomid EOD and for a week or so after. You can also use test prop alone (or with dbol) at around 150 mg EOD. I will be trying this in the future with finasteride. You can either do a 2 on/4 off routine or a 2 on/3 off routine. Either one should work good. If you were doing the clomid, do a 2 on/3 off, if not, try the 2 on/4 off. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 35 |
thanks guys has any one else actually done a short cycle, and if so how did it work for you? anyone else | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1699 |
IVE DONE WHAT I CALL BURSTS WITH DBOL... I HAVE DONE A MERE 200MG OF NANDRALONE PER WEEK FOR 2 WEEKS (DAY 1 AND 8) AND 25MG OF DBOL PER DAY FOR 2 WEEKS, NO PROBLEMS UPON QUITTING... I ONLY DID THIS TWICE AND BASICALLY IT JUST GOT MY STRENGTH UP A LITTLE BIT... NOT MUCH FOR GAINS, BUT A FEW LBS EACH TIME... I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO CONTINUE THIS CUZ I HATE LONG CYCLES, BUT I GOT IN A HUGE STRESSFUL TIME OF LIFE AND LOST SOME WEIGHT, SO I SAID FUCK IT.. GOT OVER THE INJURIES AND ALL AND STARTED A LONG CYCLE. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 459 |
Yeah, I did a two-week cycle back in June. Primo @ 400 mg/week over 2 shots, dbol @ 35 mg/day. Clomid EOD throughout, ED days 15-19 (post-cycle). Peaked at 10 lbs., settled at 9 lbs. gain -- which I kept all of when I went off. (visibly lost fat too) Not bad for 2 weeks eh? I'll admit that you don't FEEL alot stronger or pumped on a short cycle (comparing my experience to other bros who talk about their exp. w/ longer cycles), however, the weight comes on/fat goes away and sides were minimal (if any). Plus, no post-cycle crash due to less hormonal stress... Lining up my next several 2-weekers as we speak [This message has been edited by BigTruck (edited November 08, 2000).] | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2123 |
One other little tip for short cycling is to take 3-4 times your usual dose on the first day of the short cycle. This gets levels in the blood up quickly to the point where good growth starts. So in other words, if you were to take 200 mg of test prop EOD for a short cycle, that would give you an average of around 100 mg per day. So the first day, take somewhere over 400 mg. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 459 |
Hey Mav -- what up? Haven't been over here for awhile... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
Hey BigTruck! A question for U: Was it primobolan depot U were taking? I was thinking of 600mg day 1 and then nothing else, also 40-50mg dbol every day for 2 weeks and 50mg clomid EOD. Do U think the primo did anything for U??? | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2123 |
What's up, Big Truck. Been a moderator over at the Canadian board for a while but now it seems as though that is over becase it has been shut down. Anyway, you will probably be seeing more of me from now on.  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 459 |
Fox -- Yes, depot. I would do it as I posted above. You'll need at least 400 mg total per week (a total of 800 mg over 2 weeks), so 600 on day 1 wouldn't do for the whole two week cycle. 400 - 600 wk over 2 shots would be ok though. I'd break up the shots to get a more consistent blood level and to provide a natural taper at the end. With the dbol, be sure to use clomid. 40 - 50 mg/day is OK and perhaps a little on the high side. [This message has been edited by BigTruck (edited November 08, 2000).] |
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posted November 06, 2000 04:51 AM