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Author | Topic: Advice on first cycle | ||
Novice ![]() Posts: 8 |
Hi guys, I'm a newbie and am getting ready to do my first cycle. I'm 5'7", 165# and I'm 48 (okay, so some of us are late bloomers). I've been training off and on for years, but have been really serious for the last 3. I'm trying to decide between two cycles for a first one. I want to put on 15 or 20 lbs of good solid weight for the first cycle. A net gain of 15 would be fine for now. I'm looking at a Deca & Dianabol cycle or a Deca and Primobolan cycle, kinda leaning toward the Primo, but my trainer is really hot on the Dianabol. Any thoughts? Am I being too conservative? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Cool Novice ![]() ![]() Posts: 34 |
i would do and 8 wk cycle of test and primo and weeks 1-6 d-bol. MM ------------------ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 71 |
I would go with your trainer te dbol and deca are in my opinion one of the best growing stacks of all time. Should gain what you are looking for without too many problems ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 238 |
Get some test. Deca, Dbol or Primo are all good stacked when stacked with it, but test should be the backbone.(my opinion) I'd also be dubious about your trainer if he gets too pushy with the d-bols. He may be pushing them cos they are fake and you're new to the game. Check out the gear, the bros here will all help you out. It may be fine, your trainer might me a good guy, but it's safer to check. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Pro Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 356 |
defanatly do some test your test levels are prety low now so it would help you a lot. but if you ask me i would do gh for your years.. it will do wonders. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2043 |
Definately test... Use 500mg per week with deca or primo if you want to be conservative. ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 258 |
Use either deca or test for 8 weeks at 500 mgs..primobolan at 300 for 8 and d-bol at 30mgs day for 4-5 weeks..Nice cycle for first timer..Bam Bam ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Novice ![]() Posts: 8 |
Hey Bam, Are you saying to do these cycles consecutively or all together? Consecutively would be a 20 week cycle. Isn't that a bit much for a first time? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Cool Novice ![]() ![]() Posts: 32 |
Their saying one cycle, stack test w/ Deca. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Novice ![]() Posts: 8 |
Thanks guys - I like the cycle Bam has proposed. But I'm not sure whether to start the D-bol in the first week or not. Here is what I'm thinking: Week Sust Primo D-bol Think I can get away with keeping the Sust at 250 for the whole time, rather than increasing to 500 in week 3? (I'm 5'7, 165# 14%bf 48 years old). Looking for some moderate, solid, permanent gains for the first cycle. Would rather make several cycles of modest gains than a huge jump all at once. Also, should I have Novaldex on hand for this cycle? What do you guys think? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Novice ![]() Posts: 8 |
bump myself ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 55 |
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Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 4279 |
Forget about the test right now. Even though your natural test is not as high as it once was, stick with the Deca/D-Bol right now. Use test for your next cycle. This will allow for good growth while seeing how you will react to AAS. It is more important to get your diet in line for your cycle. You will need about 1.5-2g of protein per pound to see the "magic" of Deca. You should do fine with about 3000-3500 calories per day and high protein. ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Novice ![]() Posts: 8 |
Thanks, 2Thick! You think the d-bol will be better than the Primo? I've read that the Deca/Primo stack gets harder, more permanent gains. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 85 |
I agree...I think you are being a little modest myself...But then again I have always leaned toward the extreme side of things... ------------------ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 4279 |
Well, if you use Primo/D-Bol you will see more hardness and vascularity (after the water from the dianabol recedes) but less overall mass. This is because you do not see water weight from Primo. With the Deca, you will see more overall gains (mainly mass) but not so much in the way of vascularity. I feel that you will keep the same amount with both (but the loss of water from the Deca makes it look like you lose more with the Deca). ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 53 |
Dbol and Omnadren!!!!Gained 20lbsGreat shit ------------------ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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