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Cool Novice 
Posts: 18 |
i hope i dont get flamed for this but im 17 years old and thinkng about somthing to help me lose fat and maintain muscle. i know alot if not all are going to say wait atleast till your 18, but i only got about 8 months.i have almost every BB book known to man, and i just think it would do so much good to do a cycle. i have done a large amount of research on this subject and i would most likly be doing primo tabs. i already know a good source, but as i was saying i think it would do so much for my self esteam and i wouldnt be so scared of losing muscle and i could just train high volume and not be scared that "ohh im natural better not do all that" or" ohh to much cardio is bad for a natural" i really would like to know what all of you think. and if not now what time should i do it? thank you.     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 264 |
Primo tabs huh?? Well you gunna have to do alot more research as far as what your going to cycle.. My first cycle I was 19 and I regret it, becuase I still wasn't finished growing.. Your not finished growing either, so your going to be in the same boat that I was in... Your body is allready producing huge amounts of testostrone. If you add artificial(bad) test to your body, you natural(good) test production is going to stop producing... Basically although you said for us not to reply by saying wait a while, you really should wait a while... Hit the gym hard and eat hella protein... You will see huge gains by just eating right and working out intense... Then when you huge and 20 years old do a small cycle and get even bigger... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 858 |
Although I do pretty much agree with what harmonic said, I have to say this, too... I'm 19, and actually doing my first cycle as we speak. I researched and talked to everyone I could for about 3-4 months, then finally put it together (eq/dbol). I had been bodybuilding for about 2 years, and done 3 natural shows. I knew the time was right when I was up on stage at my last show, and was handed the 2nd place trophy, after losing to the 1st place guy by 1 point, which, as we all know, in bodybuilding, is the equivalent of a millisecond in something like track. You say, why is this guy rambling on about this...and I say--ONLY YOU WILL KNOW WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT!!!!!!! A primo only cycle is a very safe one, and should help to preserve your hard-earned muscle when dieting. However, if I were you, I would personally cut up naturally, then start your gear-life with a bulking stack. Feel free to e-mail me with any other questions, like I said, I was in the same boat about 6 months ago! But now, after gaining 25 pounds of muscle in a month, I am very glad I started when I did! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 594 |
most of these guys dont remember how hard it is to gain naturally even if you are going through puberty. id say if you think you are smart enough its all good. i started when i just turned 16 and i dont regret it. ------------------ "I cried when I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet. Then I laughed...really hard." | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 680 |
burnboy hit me with a email bro ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 620 |
um, large amount of research and primo tabs don't go together, IMHO. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
thanks for answering everyone,i know i should wait but well i should have wrote this in my first post, im 420lbs. and at this weight and this old, i get frustrated when i cant do things to help me lose weight. like walking for longer then 15 min. at 2mph. i mean i feel like a bitch! i guess i was just looking for a quick fix. i was looking for it cause i really dont go out cause of how people think of me. like they all try to give me advice and think i dont know what im doing when i most likly know more about nutrition then the ever well.but then things like going out with my parents gets bad cause i dont want to go out and then i get into fights with them and well like i said i guess i was just looking for a way out. thanks you guys. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 100 |
Big Calvin, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not try to use steroids as a quick fix for your situation. You could really end up hurting yourself!!! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 620 |
400 lbs? how tall are you? i dont blame you then, you should use anything possible to help you out. but at your bodyfat level i would assume you can gain muscle while losing fat. i wouldnt waste my time with AAS. however, some T3 might be a good idea. if i was you i would do: weeks 1-4: adipokinetix 6-8 caps/day get the calories as low as you possibly can. cardio 2x/day morning and post workout for 30-45 min per session. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 901 |
NO. I don't think you should use anything at all! Your blood pressure has got to be super high not to mention your heart is probably under constant stress...420 lbs.? With the right diet and exercise I bet you could drop a lot of fucking weight man. Primo wouldn't be the answer for you at all IMO (though I don't know much). Just ask Buckydingdong of this board...his friend weighed something like 300 lbs. and died from ECA 'cause his weight+ephedrine was to much for his heart. I suggest you don't touch any of that shit until you lose a significant amount naturally.... Why don't you go to the doctor as well bro? I'm sure he could help....right? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 264 |
You didn't mention your weight problem... Start with some Hydroxycut (over the counter metabolic enhancer if you didn't know), a very clean diet and work your way up to 30 minutes of cardio per day... I guarantee you will start seeing results within a week. At your weight I'm sure alot of it is water. The water will be lost very fast and it will make you feel good to see all that weight go away, It will make you want to continue to exercise and eat right.. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 620 |
deaths by E/C are the exception not the rule. taper up and down, see how your body responds. if you take proper precautions it is perfectly safe and will greatly expedite the fat loss. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 264 |
You can e mail me if you want. Most of us are willing to give you some good dieting ideas... | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
WOW!! i didnt think this many people would answer me,thank you all very much. ok i have taken adipo,hydroxycut,and im on DE right now. i liked adipo cause i didnt get all hyped up just hot. so ill most lilkly go back. i really dont have bad health, my blood presure is norm. my pulse is down to 70-80 but it was around 100-110 resting! but i have lost weight ,i have lost about 30-40 pounds so far but none anymore. you can see my diet on the diet forum but i was going to change it to ckd but not carb days just meals. im at 2500 cal. aday and i get in cardio every other day for 15 min. i lost the weight with working with ms. abs over on musclemag.com im still working with her and i really like her ,she helps out alot just by talking with me. thanks you all for all the help so far. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 264 |
OK, it seems like your doing it right. 15 min is a little low... Bump you time up to 25 minutes. I know 10 minutes is a big bump, but if you get too tired just slow down for a few then get back at it... do this for a week or 2. Then start going every day. Before you know it each workout will be done in what feels like the amount of time it takes to eat a tootsie pop  Don't forget to reward yourself every once in a while with one of you favorite foods... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 620 |
you can go CKD if you want, but some people feel like shit on them (me included). if i was you i would just use an isocaloric diet and drop the calories to about 1800 a day. if you can get T3 use it. if you can't, then just do a little bit of calorie cycling to ensure your metobolism doesn't get too low. cardio needs to be increased GREATLY. 15 mins is nothing, the longer you go the more the body switches into a fat burning mode. my suggestion of 45 min 2x/day may seem like alot but it will melt the fat off extremely fast. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 264 |
d1734 45 minutes of cardio 2x per day ... for a 420 lb man... Damn dude... Your harsh... [This message has been edited by harmonic (edited November 01, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1383 |
Big Calvin, Don't be surprised at how many answers you get to a genuine plea for help here. The people on this board are answering your post because they want to help you. You came to the right place. There are hundreds of bros here who can give you good advice. Some may not be as good as others but that is still their intention. Some days I am proud of the bros here. Like today. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 620 |
harmonic: i wouldn't suggest he start off that high. but think about it, if you can do cardio for 15 mins, you can do that twice a day considering the low recovery time for cardio. i would say over a months time he could work up to 45 mins 2x/day. keep in mind this is not jogging non stop. i would suggest an activity like shooting hoops. go all out when you can, but when you are tired drop down the pace until you can recover and pick it back up. hell, even out of shape people can do that almost indefintely. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 213 |
Hey BC... you are 17 so I assume you are still in high school, so what do you do with your time??? What types of things do you do after school? Are there small things through out the day that you could add into your routine that will help supplement the cardio...like walk places that you normally don't. I would definitely suggest letting your doc know that you are wanting to lose weight. Try to do as many fun things that will help you reach your goals and keep you from doing the things that hurt your progress. Most importantly take each day one at a time, and keep taking steps in the right direction, small steps will add up in the long run...Best of luck to bro, keep up the hard work. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 64 |
Dude, I understand. I think you're going through some "information overload" to some degree. Just sort through it and you'll know what you need to do. If you do eventually decide to go the AS route at your age, at least listen to this bunch. If you were to stick with the weights and cardio.......you just might be surprised. Sure, try the AS eventually, but there is PLENTY of time for that. No matter what age you decide to start, you will get those female heads turning, but save your receptors as long as you can. Remember, the younger you are the more your system is being flooded with testosterone anyway (yes, even after puberty). The best is yet to come! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 124 |
big calvin , i have a friend who a year ago was 420. 1 year later , this moment he is 290. he did naturally and wasnt even working out. i set him up on a nutrition program where he drop his carbs around 100-120 gms a day. only supplement he used was xenadrine. he took 2 twice a day . he still not where he wants to be, but he will be. there is no reason why you cant drop your weight natuarlly. if you want that nutrition program bro, e mail me. just check my profile. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 72 |
if you want to loose fat do areobics and that should do it for you dont do steroids hell your only 17 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 261 |
Hey Calvin, keep your head up bro. I cant give you any better advice then most of the bros on here, but i can tell you that they will do everything they can to help you. We are all here for you bro, you can pull through with this. All you need is a little will-power, and God, and you can do anything you want. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 160 |
Xenadrine and DNP alternating. DNP is no big deal if you know what you are doing, and its the best for fat lost. I was in your boat too, at 245, my fat ass was tired of it so i was hell bent on loosing, and now at a good 200 with much more muscle than before, im a little happier. Im still not done mind you, but damn, it feels so good to be thinner, you will love it. The DNP is used in some countries for chronic obesity so it is not just bastardised biochemistry. Hit me with a mail if you are interested, i along with several others have done sucessful DNP cycles and we would be happy to help. Peace bro | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 178 |
Calvin... I've seen you a few months back posting for help, maybe on another board it was... anyhow, primo tabs or any type of anabolic juice isn't going to do anything positive for you, you'll most definitely just end up with more problems at your weight and bodyfat. What you need to do is get your DIET together, get alot of Dexatrim from your grocery store or pharmacy and control your eating habbits, and watch what your taking in bro! Keep a very clean diet, and walk your ass off more! It takes hard work and effort to reach any goals! Magic pill..ha!!! We all wish, but then that would be too fuckin' boring! Also, a wonderful start would be studying and researching health & nutrition, etc., So you know more about how your body works, etc. Then use your own logic and build from there! Knowledge is Power bro! ~BM~ [This message has been edited by Busy_Mind (edited November 02, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 99 |
Bro, Ok if your that heavy dont bother useing AS you will do more harm than good your diet is the problem listen to what the guys here have to say. Drop your intake and work at it dont waste your time researching on AS research on nutrition and get yourself a diet plan and stick to it YOU WILL LOSE IT if you are dedicated. Just train as hard and as much as you can dont worry if you get odd looks down the gym fuck em you will get there in time but look at your diet first...! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1005 |
IM 29 & JUST DID MY FIRST CYCLE THIS PAST SUMMER.I TRAINED NATURLLY FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS & MADE GOOD GAINS.I ALSO DID NOT STOP GROWING TILL 21 OR 22 SO IM GLAD I NEVER HAD THE OPPUTUNITY BACK THEN OR ELSE I WOULD STILL BE 5'7" OR SOMETHING.YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON LOSING ALL THAT FAT THEN WORRY ABOUT GAINING MUSCLE.YOU COULD GAIN ALL THE MUSCLE YOU WANT RIGHT NOW BUT AT 420 YOUR STILL JUST GONNA LOOK LIKE ONE OF THOSE FAT GUYS WHO THINKS HES BIG BUT IS JUST FAT.JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU BRO.. ------------------ Bros before Hos SIG EP 4 LIFE! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 169 |
wait until you are at least 20 or 21, then go balls out. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 459 |
Calvin- Try and lose naturally first like the other bros said up your cardio gradually and watch your diet. Good luck bro; you can do it! Plates ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 232 |
Don't use the AS yet bro. Wait 'till you're older. You could use the ECA or other dieting drugs but personally I'd consult your doctor first to make sure you are safe to. If you've had all of those tests done, you should be OK though. A lot of guys self-administer all sorts of substances without having any tests so at least you acknowledge this and are being careful. Just slightly increase your cardio. To suddenly jump up could be too much of a shock. Keep on slightly increaseing your time as you feel yourself improving and you find it easier. It would be foolish for a weight lifter to suddenly jump from say a 200lb bench press to a 400lb one, so why should cardio be any different? Steady, progressive increases are what is needed here. I am not even going to try and advise you on diet as you sound like you have enough advice on that. Just play it sensible. Learn your weights movements by using light weights for high reps so when the time comes when you feel happier and want to then add some muscle mass, you'll know how to train more efficiently. Hope I've been of some help. I'll be honest, I have always been the opposite to you but have been a personal trainer (in martial arts) for many years. I have helped many people in similar situations. One of my best students now was very overweight at just 13 years old. He was getting bullied at school due to his weight problem and also due to his accent as he was from S. Africa. Through the training and diet advice (all natural) he has leaned out so much he is a completely different person. He is super fit and is due to take his 1st Dan Black belt on the 27th of this month. He's also one hard b*st*rd now and no longer gets bullied. He is in fact the hardest kid in the school now but has a really good temperment and does not bully himself. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 345 |
BRO IF YOU REALLY WANT TO START USING GEAR ITS YOUR CHOICE. MAKE SURE YOU RESEARCH WHAT UR GONNA DO FIRST AND TAKE THE PRECAUTIONS WITH NOLVADEX AND CLOMID...BE SAFE...ZEUS | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 901 |
You're telling a 17 year old to use DNP? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
wow!! ok i have alot of answers to fell in. i use synthroid (.1mg) cause my thyroid was just a little low. i dont go to school i use to go to home school but now im heading to FIU. my doc is a really asshole cause well hes just like the rest of them, "just east less and walk, ohh and here are some appetite pills" but then he looks at me like im crazy cause i take eca stack? what up with that? freak daddy , send me that email bro. thanks
supps: im goign to try to increase by 5 min. every week twice a dayon cardio. ok now that i got all that done. i have a large problem with training, i never can decide on it. i just got a program from HIT bodybuilder but i have had from resent training , very good results with max-ot like reps 4-6 and training 6 days a week but only lik 30 min. each time. would that be over training? thank you to every one, | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 594 |
do some t3 clen and eca look up a goot cycle of this. this with your diet should help you lose a hell of a lot of pounds. do the cardio 30 minutes a day if you can while on this cycle. after this if you lose eough weight you should do a stack of roids. ------------------ "I cried when I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet. Then I laughed...really hard." | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 571 |
I used to work with a guy who was 500 lbs. the docs went in and actually cut out a portion of his stomach. several months later, this guy is like 190 lbs......f^cking amazing. you might want to bring this up with your doc, and you said your doc was an asshole, leave him. There are a lot of good doctors out there. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 11 |
hey, i think you should try ECA and maybe some clen. But most of all it is cardio and diet. Good luck ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 858 |
FIRST OFF...don't ever let what others think of you effect you--unless it motivates you! SECOND, I now agree that you should not use the primo, but a "fat-burning" stack like the bros have suggested, like clen, ECA, T3, etc. DNP is pretty harsh, so I'd wait on that. Like the other bros said, too, we're here to help! I used to be overweight in high school, played football, never really cared, but when I quit, it hit me--now I've been bodybuilding for over 2 years and lovin' it! NEVER SET LIMITS ON YOURSELF! E-MAIL ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, ANYTHING! BEST OF LUCK TO YOU!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
if i decide to try t3 and clen would i have to cut out my synthroid? also i have been doing some reading on it and how that stack can dramaticly lose weight, would i gain it all back? would i have to up my protein so i dont lose muscle? so from what i under stand here is what i came up with:
this is just what i came up with not what im going to do. i still need to think and ask some my PT. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 160 |
I suggested DNP cuz for me, it wasnt that harsh. It worked and i was 18. It doesnt matter if hes only 17 cuz DNP hasnt the effects on test, size ect. that AS does. I think DNP is safer than T3, if done properly. I only suggest cuz it helped me and didnt hurt me, accept for allergic reaction which isnt that bad. |
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posted November 01, 2000 08:55 PM
