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 extremely short cycles for ever?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Years back in a far away land, where supplements were legal and not spoken about, my friend used to do the 3 weeks on 3 weeks off with dbols.... (~100mg/day) It was perfect, cause you would never get mentally addicted to the gains and pump feel, cause as soon as the drug started to kick, you had to come off, but you will gain steadily without the big up and downs of the traditional 8 weeks cycle. Therefore my friend decided to do this again in a slightly modified manner: Week one: 1500- 2000mg of Test enanthate, devided into (2) injections; Week two: 35mg of dbol/day; week three: off; 300mg clomid on Monday only, maybe clen, slin, creatine, pgf2a, but no gear week four- six: off; maybe clen, slin, creatine, pgf2a, but no gear repeat as long as desired; What do you guys think?    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 52 |
Can't comment on that exact cycle, but I've been thinking about short cycles lately myself. I'm planning on going 2 weeks on and 4 off for a while w/ Fina and Dbol (well actually Ref-b because I'm a cheap bastard). My thinking is that doing this I can gain pretty steadily for as long as I keep it up without having to worry about crashing or losing my wood. I was thinking about creatine on the 4 off weeks, but supposedly it puts extra load on the kidneys which in addition to the fina might be a bit much. I'm not really convinced of theat, but it still makes ma a bit nervous.  | ||
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Moderator 
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The occasional jumps in test are not a good idea. Whenever that much test comes into the body, there's going to be a reaction. Also on your "off" time, there will still be some test floating around the body, (especially with sust - enanthate less so, but people ask this about sust also), so it isn't truly off time. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 18 |
been thinking about a similar cycle, in order to avoid the crash, and wonder how much one will gain in those three weeks. also wondering why the dbol's saved til week 2...wouldn't you want to throw that in the mix FIRST, since it's quickly absorbed, quick to act, and it will be a couple of days before the enanthate begins to disperse sufficiently to kick in. what do you think? perhaps it might work better thus: week 1: 35 mg dbol/day; 1500-2000 mg enanthate shots week 2: 35 mg dbol/day week 3: clomid etc. just curious. juice | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
Test enanthate clears your system in ~ 10 days, if my friend front loads (do 750-1000mg Mo & We of first week), it will be gone by end of week two. The dbol my friend only included in week two, to keep the androgen level some what steady while the enanthate tapers itself out of his system. Also he front loads clomid on Mo week three to have his balls up and running at 100% by mid week Does that make sense? [This message has been edited by 1 (edited November 01, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
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Cool Novice
Posts: 15 |
1, Your "friend" is a pretty smart guy. I think his idea will work very well, indeed. However, he will need to include anti-estrogen agents during the first two weeks. Also, a one-day administration of 300 mg Clomid may not be sufficient. If he is going to include Clomid to assist in recovery at all (which I think is a good idea, despite the minimally-inhibitory two-week cycle period,) he may as well continue taking it (at 50 mg per day, after the 300 mg loading) for two weeks or so. It is cheap and harmless, so why not? Please let us know how your friend makes out. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 15 |
Actually, I just ran the numbers... 1500 - 2000 mg TE injected on that schedule will not yet fall below inhibitory levels by the end of the second week. Perhaps, a slightly modified schedule of TP injections in the same total amounts would be better. Failing that, your friend could simply reduce the TE to 800 - 1000 mg on day one only, which would be okay as well. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
So if 1500-2000mg TE is still inhibitory, clomid at 300mg followed by 50mg/day should take care of the small inhibition. Also if my friend were to do lets say 20 of those mini cycles, would there be an overall inhibition factor, meaning that the HPTA-axis gets really sensitive towards the end? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
last time up I lied [This message has been edited by 1 (edited November 01, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
like I said, I lied | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1025 |
I am all for short cycles and will try one starting saturday. See here for details: I made some adjustsments: 1)Dbol will be only 30mg per day since I couldn't get the powder dbol. 2)Calories will be 4250 cals instead of 3500 cals... MASS all the way 3)I will only take 4 weeks off and not 5... ------------------ [This message has been edited by DREXX (edited November 01, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 15 |
1, There will be no cumulative inhibition, if you do it right. The whole idea of the short cycle is to limit inhibition to the hypothalamus only, sparing the pituitary. It leads to very quick, easy recovery. However, your friend's method is flawed, and will not allow that benefit to accrue. What do you think the half-life of TE is? My guess is around 6 days. Assume a one-day administration of 2000 mg TE on day one: there will still be around 400 mg of active ester in the system at the end of two weeks. That is entirely too high. Result? Pituitary inhibition, which defeats the entire purpose of the short cycle. Extra Clomiphene will not change this. My suggestions: 1. Lower the dosage to 800 mg TE or switch agents to Test Prop or Trenbolone Acetate. 2.Take Clomid during weeks 3 and 4 (50 mg/day; 300 mg the first day) to avoid trouble. The $13 or so that your friend would save by not doing so just isn't worth it. 3. D-bol use was fine, as originally suggested. You might want to contine taking one (two, if you are feeling adventurous) 5 mg tab immediately upon waking during week three. This will not lead to additional inhibition. Good luck (to your friend, of course.) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
Windex: you have a point; at 1000mg at day 12 my left over would still be 250mg? Is that acceptablw while using the clomid loading [This message has been edited by 1 (edited November 01, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 15 |
That is a judgement call. My guess is that yes, it would be acceptable. Give it a try. What is the worst thing that could happen? If you find that your recovery is only "standard" (for a traditional 2-month cycle) and not super-fast, you can just make an adjustment next time. And, if I were you, I wouldn't be terribly concerned with the "low" dose you are settling for. You can grow quite well indeed on 1000 mg test and 250 mg D-bol. |
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posted November 01, 2000 09:27 AM